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Steinberg Arcos this week is christopher

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o'brien and you know years ago muhammad

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ali during his prime and by the way

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ladies and gentlemen he did report

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seeing a UFO on more than one occasion

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yeah in fact i even talked to him about

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it anyway he used to use the phrase in

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dealing with his opponent float like a

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butterfly sting like a bee but it seems

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that our friendly co-hosts are genial

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co-host christopher o'brien was bitten

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by something a little bit more intense

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than a bee what happened to you

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actually i was stung one of the things

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that you got to kind of be careful of

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when you live here in this big sunshine

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state of Arizona is scorpions and

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unfortunately I happen to live in a

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scorpion zone here last year during the

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summer I collected about a dozen of

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these little yellow kind of pale bark

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scorpions which have the highest

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concentration of nasty nerve toxin in

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nature and and I was just pulling my

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covers up over with my pillows and this

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darn thing stung me on my hand and and

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this was yesterday and it's been about

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18 hours and my arm my arm is the hole

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on the inside of my arm and my thumb and

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my index finger are you know tingling

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like they've been asleep like you know

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they're know basically so yeah you come

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to Arizona you really kick your shoes

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out and don't leave anything on the

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floor and and I guess check your bed

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when I tell you I tore all the covers

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off last night and shook them out real

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good before I got in I'm just lucky the

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thing didn't sting me on my face well

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that would be in very interesting kind

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of conversation

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like I probably couldn't tie our you

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know some people do that you know they

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work for certain movements in the UFO

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field and although the words seem to be

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clear and distinct you're funny gene

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yeah it is a problem than people

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mumbling and at least sounding like

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they're not making sense I think that's

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probably that good as well to make some

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sense though now on the previous week's

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show the one that you appeared on with

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Paul Kimball with Kevin Randle

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now one thing Paul said where he made

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pretty clear where he stands about UFOs

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and that is he favors ETH I think it's

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crystal clear about that obviously is

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willing to accept other points of view

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that's fine but if we're going to lay

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our cards on the table and your case it

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may be difficult because one of the arms

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is still tingly there and that is where

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do you stand are you an ETH guy are you

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a multi-faceted kind of guy with

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different solutions for different

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problems what yeah I think we're dealing

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with something infinitely more complex

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than the simple explanation I know that

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sounds crazy but the simple explanation

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of the ethi I have a sense that we're

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dealing with a whole multitude of things

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it's probably more complex than we could

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possibly imagine

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well okay more complex than we can

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possibly imagine maybe do a little

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imagining okay what do you think we

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could possibly even approach what the

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answers might be well again you can't

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factor are the ETH out by any stretch

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and there probably have been visitations

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I think to this planet at some point or

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another I doubt that they would be

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involved in a covert sort of clandestine

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operation like we've seen would be

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apparently with the abduction phenomena

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and for instance Carib relations would

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be another one that seems pretty spooky

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but I have a sense that we're dealing

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with a closed system phenomena but

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possibly akin to a trickster like energy

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or trickster like force which is

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collectively being manifested by

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humanity in under the guise of appearing

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alien possibly you know effort to draw

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ourselves off plan

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to get off this this rock before the Sun

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goes supernova or before we could hit by

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an asteroid I think we really owe it to

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ourselves to look into all closed-system

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theories and explanations before we get

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you know I think self-important enough

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to think that anything out there is

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coming to visit us now with

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psychiatrists Carl Jung who wrote a book

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about flying saucers back in the 1950s

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he spoke of the collective unconscious

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which I assume it means humanity's

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conscious is therefore communicating

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this information to us would you say

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it's humanity or Mother Earth well it

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could be both I I have a sense that the

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earth is a living organism I've always

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kind of felt that I think you'll find

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that that belief and that view shared by

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most of the world's indigenous cultures

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and you know there could be some

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symbiotic relationship between an earth

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energy that's possibly creating or

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manifesting phenomena and and humans so

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there may be an interesting it may be

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both and there may be an interest in

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symbiotic relationship that's taking

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place well it may also be that we create

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our own reality

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so whatever reality we perceive somehow

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we are individually or collectively

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creating that reality and not thinking

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of a matrix kind of thing though right

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yeah and that would be a classic example

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of the collective unconscious at work

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and because if we are all collectively

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creating this reality and manifesting

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these phenomenal events there should be

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an underlying agenda that we have and my

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guess would be to pull ourselves off

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planet to see the universe before the

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planet is hit by an asteroid like I said

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or where the Sun goes Nova I'm going to

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be really silly here can we save them

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that may be the collective unconscious

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caused that great oil spill in the Gulf

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because it was a strange confluence of

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events they've done that thing before

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without a problem yes we can say that

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maybe BP oil maybe didn't use all the

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backup systems there's a story they

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saved a half

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by not buying this backup valve but in

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the end it would have happened anyway no

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matter what they did well I think it's

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it's inevitable with all these hundreds

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of oil rigs that we have in the ocean

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world's oceans it was bound to happen we

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were bound to see a catastrophic very

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very unfortunate accident and I just

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hope it was an accident I would hate to

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think that somebody would have the you

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know the balls to take that thing out

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it's stories are coming out now about

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the the head of BP selling off I think

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of a majority of his stock just days

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before the accident which happened on

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Earth Day curiously enough and and also

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there's stories of Goldman Sachs I think

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gene selling off quite a number of

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shares of their stock in BP as well

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there seems to be something going on

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there I'm not sure if if this is

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premeditated I'll tell you if it is

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someone's got it or something has a heck

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of a lot of Karma they're gonna have to

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deal with because this is this is really

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catastrophic what's going on died yeah

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we're getting the impact on the

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environment and all the natural

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creatures who are being injured or up

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here right you know that's only part of

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it folks you know ok that's only part of

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it what about humans who died in this

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supposed accident but you know we can

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get into that we could get more into

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conspiracy theories and maybe we should

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bring Ken Thomas maybe Jim Marrs back to

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discuss that this week though we're

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going into entire different realm the

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realm of humanoids you brought forth a

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very fascinating guest tell us about him

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yeah Rosales is again like one of those

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unsung heroes that's been quietly

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impatiently compiling data on human

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cases and he's one of those unsung

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heroes in the field he doesn't go around

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promoting himself he doesn't do all the

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conference's very regularly I think he

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does appear now and again but I've never

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seen him on any of the TV shows or at

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any conference yet he has amassed

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thousands and thousands and thousands of

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alleged reports witnesses reporting

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humanoid type creatures that are not

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it's gonna be a fascinating I think

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discussion because Albert is really just

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glancing through some of his recent

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cases from this year he is his cases go

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all the way back into into the dim

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reaches of history and although it's

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probably a garbage in garbage out

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scenario I'm not sure if we can glean

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too much patterning or trends or data

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but I think that there's going to be

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some very interesting clues that are

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found in a database that could give us

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some insight into the kinds of humanoid

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sightings that are going on around the

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world and I'm really looking forward to

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this gene Albert is is one of those

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grinds that I really had a real respect

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for and he's included the half-dozen of

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so humanoid report for my database have

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been included in his and he is a very

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easy top-notch research and I think

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you're really going to enjoy our

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discussion with him well I also noticed

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that he's had some of his own

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experiences some unusual paranormal

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events so we have Albert Rosales talking

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about humanoids coming up next on the

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this week on the para casts our co-host

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is Christopher O'Brien and because of

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Chris's close encounter of the seventh

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kind with a scorpion if maybe his logic

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is not framed as well can we forgive

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that and blame it on the scorpion Chris

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gene hopefully hopefully I'll do the

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opposite well then we can bottle it but

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then you see the problem is the Food and

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Drug Administration will come down say

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you can't bottle scorpion venom because

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it's gonna kill people you know there's

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probably some crazy kids that try it

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well now they're gonna try it anyway

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because they said on the radio and we're

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gonna get in trouble just before we go

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into syndication Albert welcome to the

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para cast now in the stuff that you sent

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me all the background material I see

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that you're not just a research or an

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armchair researcher you've had your own

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experiences can you tell us when this

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started in your life yes I had very

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young like I said like I mentioned I was

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born in Cuba and very very early in my

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age I remember having some experiences

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uh where I lived and the city of Santa

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Clara Cuba central part of the island I

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remember one experience very clearly

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which I mentioned it to a lot of people

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and I was inside my at my home and I

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heard a commotion outside and I must

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have been maybe seven or eight years old

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I ran out and there was a bunch of my

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neighbors sitting around there they sit

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outside and just talk when we didn't

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have no electricity when they were and

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they were looking up over the roof of a

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house across the street and appeared to

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be like an object maybe an egg-shaped

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multicolored and everybody was pointing

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had the option and they were all

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screaming americanos American Americans

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or whatever they different I thought it

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was an invasion yeah what year was this

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again I would venture to guess maybe 63

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ok hers maybe 62 or somewhere around

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that

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time yeah so the old you know kind of

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ignored after a little bit I and I just

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follow it it's kind of flew low the

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houses and he went into an area behind

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my home my backyard I ran back there and

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I what I remember I stood under it and I

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looked up and next thing I remember I

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was like standing there with myself and

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it was gone and I'm all wet I don't know

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why I looked like felt like water anyway

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it was darker and it was the night and

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for some reason my parents were not

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looking for me and I was out there all

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by myself

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yes this is missing time yeah that's

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what I think I never been regressed and

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I never been that not neither have

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nautically regressed about what happened

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but it appears to have been some missing

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time and it's not the first time at all

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so in Cuba that has something like that

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happened not the first time in a

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previous occasion or a subsequent

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occasion I think maybe a year after that

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we were at a beach like mmm wasn't a

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tourist section it was mostly for locals

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and kavadi and near the town okay buddy

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unless beers province I was out by

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myself exploring maybe the sand dunes

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and what I remember they were like oh

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you know that when the the crabs they

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have this holes in the ground all over

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the place all of a sudden that these

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crabs started coming out of the ground

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what I thought were crabs but for me I

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thought it would come big for for crabs

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they're really huge they were coming out

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of the ground and I was looking at them

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oh and I was all by myself which I

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thought was strange because it's you

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know it's a lot of people around there

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at the time then my next memory was

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being at the end of lying down at the

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end of an old pier they had there in the

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little town which was broken down made

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out of wood and no one ever venture over

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there because it's kind of unsafe ending

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my parents follow me all the way at the

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end and they couldn't figure out how I

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got there course I didn't remember

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anything but you know I never been

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regrets so I don't know what could have

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happened there maybe those crabs were

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not real crafts you know what I mean I

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kind of think that maybe being regrets

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may not always be the best solution

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we've had lots of controversies over the

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valley

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with that right true yeah because you

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never know what they might make you

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remember I heard about it about that you

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know I'm not sure they might make you

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remember things that didn't happen true

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that they want to include in their

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agenda I don't know but I and I don't

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know if I'll ever ever actually remember

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what really happened after that I I

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moved to Spain with my parents and then

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I moved over to the United States since

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and 67 at the end of 67 the next

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experience that I could remember was

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here in Miami looking up my second I

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don't know when my sister we're looking

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at a window in my apartment and we saw

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another object that resembled very much

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the one I seen back in Cuba also shaped

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like an egg a lot of lights appears to

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be coming up and down over the houses

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what I remember what he appear to have

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some protrusions or some stuff sticking

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out of it I don't know what happened I

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think it disappeared behind some the

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handsome Klaus or something but I

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remember I wrote a letter to opera a PR

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oh that group that used to be a very

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active back then and I never did get an

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answer though I was a young baby so like

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I joined the Navy and while in the Navy

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I can tell you that back in 77 I was in

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when they call the Mediterranean cruise

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or deployed there I'm aboard a destroyer

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tender and that I was out on deck I used

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to be a radio man so I used to go up

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there all the way to the top and just

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look around and I saw over in the

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distance over the island of Majorca the

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Balearic Islands what appeared to be a

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metallic disc Silber and color it was

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just cruising along there was a pair of

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binoculars on deck and attached to the

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deck and I'd looked at it but it was

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quickly lost from view that was the only

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witness I couldn't get anybody else to

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see it I had some other experience

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we have time for me to go into all them

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well you know the thing is maybe we

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should focus on the stuff that really

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seems most unusual most significant to

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stuff that you know warrants further

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investigation certainly your child's

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experiences do but going back to the

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stuff you has a child the missing time

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and everything right you talk to your

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parents or siblings about this did they

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say anything do you recall no like I say

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did they seem to ignore the whole thing

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and I and if I mention it to them that

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will either laugh it off at all tell me

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that I have been having nightmares or

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dreaming I always that's a kid I

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remember being afraid of the dark I'll I

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didn't my and I wouldn't go to bed all

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the lights out I always needed a little

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light on for some reason I recall

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another incident also in Cuba and Santa

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Clara yeah it appears that I was at one

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of those green light states I wasn't

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sure I was sitting in the kitchen and

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around me there were this figures or

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people which I recall were like all kind

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of luminous and they're all tall but

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they were like human shaped they're not

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you know your typical Hollywood alien

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stereotype they were shaped like humans

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and they were luminous well I know that

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they were talking to me of course I

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don't remember anything I had told me I

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know that they they gave me their their

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name which I don't remember to the state

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and they'd left me with a feeling that

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there would be back one day that's all I

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remember after that I woke up in the

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morning and I couldn't recall anything

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else about the experience did you ever

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think maybe later on that maybe that

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particular experience may have been a

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dream yeah definitely I thought about

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that kinda wanted peculiar during that

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hour your run-of-the-mill dream but yeah

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yeah it could have been a dream now

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during the course of the things that

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happened to you

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indeed you ever see any stories in the

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newspapers or hear anything on broadcast

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TV or radio that seemed to

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Vindicator verify what you experienced

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no the funny thing is never did I read

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or saw anything in Cuba about UFOs or

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anything like that

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aliens are never it was only when I came

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over to the states I'm not even right

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away I would say maybe 71 or 72 when I

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was in middle school junior high school

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I went into the library at the school

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and like for some reason I went to the

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section where they had UFO books and

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Olli and I grabbed the whole bunch of

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them and I remember it was Frank Edwards

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Jack's ballet all the old books and I

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checked out a whole bunch of the mice

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that are reading them and that's the

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first time I really read anything about

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UFOs and this is back in 71 or 72

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timeframe never anything about that

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before before we focused on your

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research our brain just wanted to just

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cover the experiences a bit more did you

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have any other experiences you mentioned

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when of course when you were in the

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military any other notable encounters

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involving a UFO or something else yeah

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kind of strange

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I guess some of them will fall into the

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term of humanoids which i think is a

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wide range this is right after back in

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89 when my father died of stroke here in

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Miami we were all that most of the

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family members would at the funeral that

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night and there were not many of us left

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there what I remember was that it was

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after maybe two or three the funeral

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home has locked the doors and I somebody

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some son somebody was knocking that on

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the glass window at the door

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and one of the tenants there went out

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there and there was we looked out I was

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with him and it was a little man he was

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Schwarz II complexion you know dark skin

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slanted eyes and he didn't seem familiar

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at all he looked like I'm maybe a

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wearing some little suit he was just

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knocking

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for some reason this guy opened don't

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let him in now after that it kept he got

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kind of hasty most of the people there

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were like sitting and recliners half

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awake half asleep and I I just walked by

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his follow the little men into my where

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my father was in the area of the viewing

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and I said and when our recliners and I

519
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saw him standing by my father's casket

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talking either

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twin self and or some kind of gavage

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which I couldn't really make out while

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everybody else around the room just

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appeared to be helpless just sitting

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there not doing anything we never seen

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this person before and this my father's

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brother's world there and they just said

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they're staring at this and which I the

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thing thing I was doing okay and they

530
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saw this person okay yeah yeah and after

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a few minutes this little person or

532
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whatever it was just walked up the door

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and went out and disappeared we never

534
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saw him again now I will thought it was

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kind of strange

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but that's one of the experience that

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other experience that I not personally

538
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but uh I had a lady here also Miami

539
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called me one night and told me that as

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she looked out her back door window and

541
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there into her backyard and seen what

542
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she described to me as a devil and in

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the backyard and I told her do you know

544
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be more specific what does she mean

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00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:47,380
double on she said it looked like a tall

546
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:50,380
figure with wings dark like a bat you

547
00:23:56,250 --> 00:23:52,170
know the Mothman comes to mind here

548
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,260
walking around her a mango tree that she

549
00:24:01,470 --> 00:23:58,960
had in the backyard terrified and she

550
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:01,480
locked all the doors and then I believe

551
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,320
she called the police

552
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:04,240
I'm not sure the police responded I

553
00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:05,200
think they did I don't know what

554
00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:07,390
happened after that but I talked to her

555
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,190
personally over the phone I never did go

556
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:11,679
into her own she didn't she refused to

557
00:24:19,570 --> 00:24:14,910
it be interview personally but she

558
00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:19,580
thought he was to be demonic in nature

559
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:29,960
picture this you're on the phone with a

560
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:32,280
client or colleague trying to explain

561
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:35,400
something visual a PowerPoint a keynote

562
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:37,650
presentation a website but it's

563
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:40,289
frustrating because they can't see what

564
00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:42,330
you're talking about the solution good

565
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566
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567
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568
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:53,490
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569
00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:55,530
them what you're talking about by use

570
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571
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573
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574
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575
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576
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Albert Rosales joins us he researches

577
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:29,370
humanoid cases and has had some

578
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,510
experiences himself very unusual ones

579
00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:34,480
co-host is Christopher O'Brien Chris you

580
00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:36,700
had some comments and questions yeah

581
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:41,020
that that last example of humanoid

582
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:42,820
sighting sounds like maybe the Mothman

583
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:44,530
was on vacation down in Miami or

584
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,530
something that's is that that type of

585
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,200
report is pretty rare I would imagine

586
00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:51,760
humanoids with wings that sort of thing

587
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:57,160
well I don't know if you guys heard back

588
00:26:02,820 --> 00:26:00,880
in last year and Mexico Chihuahua State

589
00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:02,830
there were a lot of reports of winget

590
00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:05,470
humanoids similar to the type

591
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,190
reported around March 2009 a lot of

592
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:11,820
people reported a winged creature

593
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:15,310
resemble a huge back but shaped like a

594
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:17,890
man other study was there assemble

595
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:20,760
somebody wearing a cape this is in the

596
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:23,620
2009 case summaries which I had there

597
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:25,090
were about three or four or five

598
00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:27,730
sightings encounters a winged it

599
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:31,270
humanoids recently in Mexico of course

600
00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:33,070
it's been a lot of flying humanoids

601
00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:35,980
reports lately there's the other have

602
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,780
weekly the ones that attacked the the

603
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:39,520
cops down in Mexico I remember some

604
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:43,330
thanks uncle years yeah and there's been

605
00:26:50,460 --> 00:26:47,650
one or two this year already that I know

606
00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:50,470
about one in a couple of income for Nia

607
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,320
it wasn't a winged a humanoid but it was

608
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:55,600
described as something a human shaped

609
00:27:02,370 --> 00:26:58,980
like a man but much taller appear to be

610
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:02,380
encasing some kind of metallic bronze

611
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,990
color outfit or something that covered

612
00:27:11,670 --> 00:27:08,080
and completely flying vertically over

613
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:11,680
the witness's house this is back in

614
00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:14,230
January this year January or February

615
00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:17,620
but is very interesting kiss now let's

616
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:19,900
back you through history humanoid

617
00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:22,210
encounters before we even get to the

618
00:27:25,629 --> 00:27:22,840
history

619
00:27:27,869 --> 00:27:25,639
why did you focus on this

620
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:27,879
particular aspect of ufo-related

621
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:29,929
investigations is because of your

622
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:32,089
personal experiences or what because I

623
00:27:39,789 --> 00:27:36,320
think that's where the the answers lie

624
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:39,799
when with the occupants or the or these

625
00:27:43,449 --> 00:27:41,570
creatures who are we're dealing with

626
00:27:47,529 --> 00:27:43,459
here or wherever they are I don't know

627
00:27:49,779 --> 00:27:47,539
but I rather investigate something being

628
00:27:52,989 --> 00:27:49,789
with a flying humanoid a little man

629
00:27:56,259 --> 00:27:52,999
encounter even Bigfoot or what have you

630
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:56,269
done a light in the sky incident which I

631
00:28:00,969 --> 00:27:58,369
don't even worry about that anymore I

632
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:00,979
think be the humanoid encounters is work

633
00:28:07,739 --> 00:28:04,159
were the industry lives I think this is

634
00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:07,749
where this is where and a lot of these

635
00:28:16,539 --> 00:28:12,070
encounters are like so unusual and so

636
00:28:19,449 --> 00:28:16,549
absurd that is it's just that I always

637
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:19,459
been attracted to them and say absurd in

638
00:28:24,009 --> 00:28:22,190
what fashion well some of them just

639
00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:24,019
don't make any sense like just like that

640
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:26,749
a little men encounter that I had here

641
00:28:32,859 --> 00:28:30,289
when back in 89 and this no there's no

642
00:28:34,539 --> 00:28:32,869
point to it like I was talking to

643
00:28:37,989 --> 00:28:34,549
another researcher here locally that he

644
00:28:40,029 --> 00:28:37,999
said muscles encounters so-called c3

645
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:40,039
Close Encounters of the Third Kind even

646
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:43,089
the Fourth Kind encounters appear to be

647
00:28:50,289 --> 00:28:47,929
something old like a show set up or put

648
00:28:52,209 --> 00:28:50,299
that so we could see something that

649
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:52,219
we're supposed to see it it's something

650
00:28:56,499 --> 00:28:53,690
that's not really supposed to make any

651
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:56,509
sense I don't know exactly what huh

652
00:29:03,549 --> 00:28:58,690
means but is yes most of them are

653
00:29:06,249 --> 00:29:03,559
totally I mean nonsensical like yeah I'm

654
00:29:08,639 --> 00:29:06,259
a reason right that's what I'm trying to

655
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:08,649
say okay so basically dealing here with

656
00:29:14,699 --> 00:29:11,929
something where something or someone is

657
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:14,709
trying to put on a show for our benefit

658
00:29:20,769 --> 00:29:19,070
others for our benefit is for made for

659
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:20,779
us through those for those people

660
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:23,769
involving the incident or the encounter

661
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,690
muscles people are changed there there's

662
00:29:32,619 --> 00:29:29,440
a change within the my I believe in and

663
00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:32,629
I don't know if there's for some kind of

664
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:36,660
feature you know

665
00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:40,050
planner I'm not sure but there there is

666
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:42,540
something going on under underneath the

667
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:45,990
just plain ce3 encounter that's an

668
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:48,450
interesting thing to do you think that

669
00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:50,610
you mentioned maybe they're putting on a

670
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:52,230
show for our benefit

671
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:55,490
but you also go back in your studies to

672
00:30:00,560 --> 00:29:57,930
cases involving humanoids that go back

673
00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:00,570
hundreds or even thousands of years what

674
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:03,150
see early is to choose catalog looking

675
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:04,770
at it right now the earliest one that I

676
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,690
have which I is from Japan doesn't give

677
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:11,520
you an exact location but this is like

678
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:15,620
them we're talking about maybe 2350 BC

679
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:20,220
there's a ancient manuscript calls say

680
00:30:24,130 --> 00:30:20,970
Toki

681
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:24,140
it says during the time of the Emperor

682
00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:28,380
Tania and the year of Mon Shama not

683
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:30,920
exactly assured I mean at the vine man

684
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:35,100
descended from the sky you same using a

685
00:30:40,670 --> 00:30:38,280
monster that was emitting light the

686
00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:40,680
people call this man the master and he

687
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:43,800
received the name tonkoon sandalwood guy

688
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:46,050
that was the translation and his country

689
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:48,810
was called Kisan now this is interesting

690
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:50,790
you know that that's describing somebody

691
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:53,250
they came from the sky with a so called

692
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:55,830
monster that was emitting light that

693
00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:58,410
nowadays that that's called the close

694
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:01,380
encounter of the third kind but this is

695
00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:04,590
from a ancient Japanese manuscript and

696
00:31:11,660 --> 00:31:07,470
there's and here's one have so many I'm

697
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:11,670
Burma Ukraine near a river Satomi near

698
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:13,890
modern-day Kiev and the Ukraine this is

699
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:18,450
from the year 10,000 65 local residents

700
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:21,030
observed a strange sign and sign in the

701
00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:23,400
sky would just resemble a huge star

702
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:25,590
would start with blood-red beams of

703
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,040
light

704
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,470
this phenomenon lasted for seven

705
00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:30,600
straight days he was seen only during

706
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:33,660
the evening around the same time a child

707
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:36,690
like door type entity was found by

708
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,010
fishermen in the river

709
00:31:43,220 --> 00:31:40,440
Satomi this river doesn't no longer

710
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,230
exist a depressant by the way the dwarf

711
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:45,360
was pull out of the river in a net

712
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,370
the fishermen kept watch over the

713
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:49,840
strange entity until late afternoon

714
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,090
and threw it back into the river out of

715
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,640
fear and repugnancy according to them

716
00:32:01,440 --> 00:31:56,799
the dwarf-like entity was very strange

717
00:32:03,779 --> 00:32:01,450
with a much wrinkled face another what

718
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,789
they mention aired shameless details on

719
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:04,960
his face and body

720
00:32:10,919 --> 00:32:07,510
there's no specifics but this is from

721
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:10,929
another ancient manuscript from the

722
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:15,250
Ukraine researcher Dmitry lob broth send

723
00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:17,710
it over forwarded over to me this brief

724
00:32:25,139 --> 00:32:21,159
details of the incident this is from 10

725
00:32:29,549 --> 00:32:25,149
the year 1065 and there's others there's

726
00:32:32,669 --> 00:32:29,559
a from 1125 and railed back feinstein

727
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:32,679
germany near the nearest town include

728
00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:35,830
several witnesses including george

729
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:38,440
miltenberger reported seeing a bizarre

730
00:32:45,899 --> 00:32:41,950
entity described was resembling a

731
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,909
burning man or a man on fire he was seen

732
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:47,919
running over the hill spitting fire from

733
00:32:53,549 --> 00:32:50,740
his nose and mouth son said that they

734
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:53,559
could plainly see his burning ribs they

735
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,990
reportedly remain wandering around the

736
00:33:02,010 --> 00:32:58,720
area for quite some time that could be

737
00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:02,020
what they described but it could have

738
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:03,909
been a human wearing some kind of

739
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:06,010
luminous clothing you don't know you

740
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:08,770
never know but this is from Michael

741
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:11,980
booga and John Ferguson the researchers

742
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,590
your files Chris you want to follow up

743
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,240
with some of these early cases maybe

744
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:19,740
some questions or probing yeah I

745
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:22,840
remember reading Jacques Valley's book

746
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,809
passports Magana quite a number of very

747
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:27,279
interesting cases from the Middle Ages

748
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:29,830
that I'm sure Albert you being familiar

749
00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:31,559
with LA's work I'm sure you've included

750
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:35,020
some of these reports if not all these

751
00:33:40,649 --> 00:33:36,850
humanoid-type reports in your database

752
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:40,659
yes the one that springs to mind is the

753
00:33:46,139 --> 00:33:44,350
one I think it has to do with like some

754
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:46,149
sort of line that was thrown down from a

755
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:48,010
craft and it got hooked on the steeple

756
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:50,230
of a church and some humanoid-type came

757
00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:51,580
down and hooked it in the craft flew

758
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:53,980
away that's the one that kind of springs

759
00:33:59,850 --> 00:33:57,370
to mind there also have been cases

760
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,860
correct me if I'm wrong where humans

761
00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:01,600
have actually been captured and and I

762
00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:02,980
think one or two cases actually

763
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:05,860
been lynched by townspeople because they

764
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,290
thought that the beam was demonic in

765
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:10,800
nature if you have you had any reports

766
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:13,929
like that where townspeople have managed

767
00:34:22,379 --> 00:34:17,679
to capture or or apprehend or injure or

768
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:22,389
somehow get control over some of these

769
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:27,010
beans well I I know about the one you

770
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:30,310
were mentioning about the ship would the

771
00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:32,169
anchor that dropped down over at church

772
00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:34,780
I'm pretty aware that and the other ones

773
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:36,940
the the people that were Lynch in France

774
00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:39,480
because they were accused of being

775
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:42,429
witches which this is what happened a

776
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:45,250
lot back in the Middle Ages people that

777
00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:47,710
I'm if I suppose that encounters or

778
00:34:52,649 --> 00:34:49,780
where abducted and taken to different

779
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:52,659
locations there were a quick accused of

780
00:35:00,240 --> 00:34:55,929
being witches and trying to think of a

781
00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:00,250
case of identity being see and trying to

782
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:02,080
find here I'm looking through my on my

783
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:05,020
database while we're discussing this can

784
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:07,180
you tell me where to find it you could

785
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:11,950
go to the a UFO infocomm in the research

786
00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:15,160
section under humanoid encounters go

787
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:18,580
there and you should find my database

788
00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:20,050
they're not all of it I have a lot of

789
00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:22,420
the updated stuff with me but there's a

790
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:24,670
lot of stuff there and there's a section

791
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:27,369
there with ancient encounters go there

792
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:31,510
see if you can see it yo fo Infocom okay

793
00:35:34,109 --> 00:35:32,890
I found it and what we're going to do

794
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:34,119
ladies and gentlemen is we're going to

795
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,350
link it from Albert's name when you

796
00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:40,960
click on his name at the para cast comm

797
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:43,300
or forum dr. para cast out come our

798
00:35:47,609 --> 00:35:45,490
forums you're going to go to this

799
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:47,619
database you're going to be able to see

800
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:49,750
the same cases he's referencing and

801
00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:51,430
you'll understand where it's all coming

802
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:53,560
now as we look at the overall picture

803
00:35:59,250 --> 00:35:55,570
here which is always a good idea I hope

804
00:36:00,780 --> 00:35:59,260
do you see a consistency fundamentally

805
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:00,790
allowing for differences of human

806
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:02,830
perception between the cases in ancient

807
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:05,740
times BC and the ones we report today

808
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,300
are they all saying the same kinds of

809
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:09,520
creatures pretty much pretty much even

810
00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:12,010
though they beckon in the Middle Ages in

811
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,300
ancient times the course that were

812
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:15,119
interpreted differently

813
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:18,180
they were called gods and they were and

814
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:22,130
and the ancient ancient men did not have

815
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:25,410
the you know the type of reference we

816
00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:27,630
have nowadays which they could this the

817
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:29,099
only way they could describe certain

818
00:36:33,529 --> 00:36:31,650
entities were like a man on fire person

819
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:33,539
you know like today it may be somebody

820
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,180
wearing a luminous suit they could only

821
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:38,400
see it as somebody on fire you know what

822
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:40,410
I mean they couldn't think of any other

823
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,670
words to describe it but they're it's

824
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,079
all the same I think we're saying

825
00:36:53,059 --> 00:36:49,200
basically the same type of creatures

826
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:53,069
different types many different types not

827
00:36:59,359 --> 00:36:55,049
just so the little gray Hollywood ain't

828
00:37:02,930 --> 00:36:59,369
alien which is being disowned yeah I

829
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:02,940
mean it's so it's so popular nowadays

830
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,680
yeah but of course the Hollywood type

831
00:37:09,799 --> 00:37:06,839
alien that was basically influenced by

832
00:37:13,579 --> 00:37:09,809
UFO books that describe that kind of

833
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:13,589
being only after in 1980 cases that I

834
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:15,420
mean people started running up like the

835
00:37:22,459 --> 00:37:19,529
grace before that yeah if you look at

836
00:37:26,209 --> 00:37:22,469
the the Jack's pallium

837
00:37:28,729 --> 00:37:26,219
passport to my Gonia list of cases and

838
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:28,739
he has hundreds of close encounters with

839
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:29,640
human rights there

840
00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:32,249
there isn't one case which is describing

841
00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:35,099
a a great type of humanoid now if you

842
00:37:40,489 --> 00:37:38,309
look at the hump cat listing which I

843
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,499
don't think it's bail anymore nary

844
00:37:47,029 --> 00:37:42,960
anybody I think I have most of it in

845
00:37:50,479 --> 00:37:47,039
those cases which goes up all the way to

846
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:50,489
1977 there's maybe one or two or three

847
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,190
references of gray type creatures and

848
00:37:58,700 --> 00:37:55,920
that not exactly the one that described

849
00:38:01,279 --> 00:37:58,710
nowadays of course the the one the gray

850
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:01,289
subscribed by Travis Walton back in

851
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:05,099
November 75 maybe the the Betty and

852
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:07,380
Barney Hill abduction that were not

853
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:09,690
really great like the ones we see

854
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:12,210
nowadays in the movies but there were

855
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:15,150
taller creatures maybe slanted eyes and

856
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:17,849
they were worried in uniform there were

857
00:38:23,029 --> 00:38:21,150
not the great creatures that we are led

858
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:23,039
to believe are the only aliens visiting

859
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:27,940
or being encounter or I say aliens but

860
00:38:32,370 --> 00:38:29,530
I'm saying entities being encountered

861
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:32,380
and in the world according to Clifford

862
00:38:37,740 --> 00:38:34,750
stone we have about 57 varieties of

863
00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:37,750
aliens that are too much Heinz ketchup

864
00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:46,180
crisps varieties so you're saying that

865
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:49,630
you don't you do not have very many if

866
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:53,470
any cases prior to 1980 that are your

867
00:39:01,500 --> 00:38:56,760
typical as you call them Hollywood gray

868
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:01,510
type aliens in in the descriptions now I

869
00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:04,380
do what because a lot of the people that

870
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:07,300
remembered being abducted while being

871
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:10,510
regressed or hypnotically regressed say

872
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:12,130
they could recall incidents back in the

873
00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:14,110
50s or 60s of 70s will be enough

874
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:16,600
directed by aliens but these cases would

875
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:19,480
only only became a bagel or only became

876
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:25,140
known from the 81 on or 80 on after

877
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:28,140
Hopkins booked you know missing time

878
00:39:34,170 --> 00:39:31,240
when least Reapers books already

879
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:34,180
reported you knows the great time aliens

880
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:37,330
then a lot of people remember or thought

881
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:39,790
I remember being abducted back in the

882
00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:43,330
70s or 60s or even before and they could

883
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:45,880
remember seeing so-called gray aliens

884
00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:48,430
but these were not these reports did not

885
00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:53,080
came to life till after early 80s now

886
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:55,060
this happening that the cases were

887
00:39:59,220 --> 00:39:57,370
influenced by those books or people just

888
00:40:02,370 --> 00:39:59,230
wouldn't talk about them because they

889
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:02,380
feared people would ridicule them maybe

890
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:03,730
there's some influence there with the

891
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,530
books maybe they they kind of make their

892
00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:10,720
there whatever they encounter whatever

893
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:12,220
you mine are they encounter they made

894
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:14,910
them look like the way that research

895
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:19,090
researcher wanted them to look or maybe

896
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:22,150
a lot of the cases that like it I know

897
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,800
they wouldn't talk about it there's a

898
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:26,220
lot of people that just won't talk about

899
00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:34,530
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914
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:51,100
Albert where's Alice joining us talking

915
00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:53,480
about humanoid encounters throughout

916
00:41:59,050 --> 00:41:55,550
history until the present day in fact

917
00:42:01,480 --> 00:41:59,060
his database goes up through 2009 I

918
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:01,490
presume there are 2010 cases he's

919
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:03,950
collecting co-host is Chris O'Brien so

920
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:05,570
let me ask you about that you're still

921
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:08,570
getting humanoid encounter reports up to

922
00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:11,960
very recently right yes I have recently

923
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:13,820
I talked to a lady all the way from

924
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,170
Australia a suburb of Brisbane and she

925
00:42:24,190 --> 00:42:21,440
was very concerned our granddaughter and

926
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:24,200
a friend of her granddaughter were have

927
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:28,400
had several encounters at night and and

928
00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:30,290
the grandmother I mean the

929
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:32,060
granddaughters house and her friend's

930
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:35,710
house also or the what we call a bedroom

931
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:40,270
visitation and you've you follow G lingo

932
00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:43,400
they will encounter eight then creature

933
00:42:52,030 --> 00:42:49,220
tall not gray blueish but very thin they

934
00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:52,040
thought it looked almost start but it

935
00:42:57,790 --> 00:42:54,740
was very thin a it was shape basically

936
00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:57,800
human but it was tall wasn't wearing any

937
00:43:01,330 --> 00:43:00,410
clothing but they didn't see any sexual

938
00:43:03,610 --> 00:43:01,340
organs

939
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:03,620
it was bluish but they thought they

940
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:06,590
could see what appeared to be veins blue

941
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:08,420
veins running and through different

942
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:11,710
parts of the body and he had a dark big

943
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:15,200
not big big but bigger than human dark

944
00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:18,140
eyes it will look at them and he will

945
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,320
walk walk around their bedroom and then

946
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:23,920
one night were the granddaughter

947
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:27,260
thinking that it if she slept at her

948
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:29,690
friend's house one night she wouldn't be

949
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:31,190
bothered with it they saw it over there

950
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:33,500
also she wasn't on the only witness her

951
00:43:38,830 --> 00:43:35,710
friend also saw the creature

952
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:38,840
the lady wrote to me she wanted her to

953
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:40,430
buy some what to do I could only tell

954
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:45,350
her that I have never heard of somebody

955
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:49,490
being hurt I maybe I lied but I didn't

956
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:51,380
want to scare the lady well you know I

957
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:52,610
wouldn't ask you about that in a moment

958
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:54,500
so just go on I'm going to ask the

959
00:43:58,089 --> 00:43:57,260
obvious question like why an encounter

960
00:44:00,460 --> 00:43:58,099
with a

961
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:00,470
might tell I told her that the best

962
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:03,170
thing to do was not to you know not not

963
00:44:08,049 --> 00:44:06,380
try to approach it unless it will

964
00:44:12,849 --> 00:44:08,059
approach this you and tries to contact

965
00:44:16,749 --> 00:44:12,859
you first let me let them let them make

966
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:16,759
the first move okay hurt by a humanoid

967
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:20,210
when how you know also most of those

968
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:24,079
cases are unfortunately they're not all

969
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:26,690
them they're anecdotal and in nature

970
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:30,890
there's one that in 67 that I could

971
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:31,700
guess

972
00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:34,640
top of my head and Brazil of course

973
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,700
Brazil has been a place for some reason

974
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,440
that these type of cases have been

975
00:44:46,799 --> 00:44:42,319
reported on people have been injured or

976
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:46,809
hurt by encounters with UFOs this is a

977
00:44:53,499 --> 00:44:50,089
I'm trying to find it so I could read it

978
00:44:57,609 --> 00:44:53,509
verbatim for you guys this is back in

979
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,619
1967 and Brazil a lot of airstrip I

980
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:00,079
can't remember the name of the place but

981
00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:01,849
they there was a husband a wife they

982
00:45:06,099 --> 00:45:04,430
were like they guarded the location they

983
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:06,109
were like guards there on one and they

984
00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:09,950
saw on the tarmac on the on the landing

985
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:13,430
strip what appear to be a disc-shaped

986
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:16,640
craft and they saw some figures that

987
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:19,130
were they look like men well they're

988
00:45:23,259 --> 00:45:20,390
very thin and they were wearing

989
00:45:26,709 --> 00:45:23,269
tight-fitting light yellow outfits and

990
00:45:28,209 --> 00:45:26,719
they had bald heads no hair their eyes

991
00:45:30,940 --> 00:45:28,219
were normal they're running around and

992
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:30,950
according to the demand of men and the

993
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:32,089
lake the lady

994
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:34,670
they look like children playing around

995
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:38,900
for some reason now that her husband

996
00:45:46,089 --> 00:45:42,880
grabbed a gun a rifle one one inside of

997
00:45:49,329 --> 00:45:46,099
his room grabbed a rifle and shot at one

998
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:49,339
of the creatures it's not known if he

999
00:45:55,029 --> 00:45:51,890
hit him but immediately seconds after

1000
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:55,039
that happened didn't rail a beam of

1001
00:46:02,160 --> 00:45:59,210
light came out of already of the object

1002
00:46:05,529 --> 00:46:02,170
and struck him he was knocked down

1003
00:46:08,980 --> 00:46:05,539
senseless and figures ran into the

1004
00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:08,990
object took off disappeared from sight

1005
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:11,630
when what happened after that he was

1006
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:13,910
taken ill he was taken into the hospital

1007
00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:18,710
and which and he died maybe two or three

1008
00:46:24,099 --> 00:46:21,700
days after that I'm trying to find the

1009
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:24,109
see what they say what the cost of death

1010
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,410
because it was some kind of I have to do

1011
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:30,560
with some kind of fulminate in cancer

1012
00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:34,400
that all sudden just got got Omar which

1013
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:35,660
I'm thinking maybe some kind of

1014
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:38,390
radiation but that's one of the cases

1015
00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:41,260
that come off the top of my head that is

1016
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:46,940
very interesting I can't find the here

1017
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:48,230
we go here we go

1018
00:46:54,339 --> 00:46:50,510
the guys thing was these are 40 was a 49

1019
00:46:59,079 --> 00:46:54,349
year old man inácio de Sousa August 13

1020
00:47:00,940 --> 00:46:59,089
1967 my being in the and the database

1021
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:00,950
you're looking at our 567 they're

1022
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:05,210
already each other one of the creatures

1023
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,130
and a bee no green light was emitted

1024
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,920
from the UFO instructs the salsa on the

1025
00:47:15,010 --> 00:47:12,640
head and shoulders he fell unconscious

1026
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:15,020
the three entities entered the octave

1027
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:17,470
which then took off vertically I speed

1028
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,380
with the sound like humming of bees the

1029
00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:23,599
salsa not only incurred a circular burnt

1030
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:25,940
patch in diameter but also upon

1031
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:29,210
examination by a physician what was fun

1032
00:47:32,890 --> 00:47:32,089
to have leukemia which he died in less

1033
00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:32,900
than two months

1034
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:35,000
this sounds like radiation poisoning of

1035
00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:37,369
some sort Testament yeah but one does

1036
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:41,000
really was really accelerated yeah you

1037
00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:42,950
died within two months after that this

1038
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:45,560
case was investigated by the late dr.

1039
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:50,690
Olaf Uncas using very famous researcher

1040
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:54,550
in Brazil yeah is brought up here a

1041
00:48:00,970 --> 00:47:57,410
little image arrow the the option on the

1042
00:48:04,750 --> 00:48:00,980
tarmac there now do you notice instances

1043
00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:04,760
where people who see these humanoids or

1044
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:07,220
get close encounters with UFOs are

1045
00:48:12,339 --> 00:48:10,220
harmed in some way do you see that kind

1046
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:12,349
of injury report being focused on any

1047
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:14,390
particular area of the country maybe

1048
00:48:19,269 --> 00:48:16,430
it's just some kind of prejudice or

1049
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:19,279
something but it seems to me that

1050
00:48:25,329 --> 00:48:21,890
America gets more of these cases he

1051
00:48:28,829 --> 00:48:25,339
seems to me Mexico used to be Brazil

1052
00:48:31,449 --> 00:48:28,839
used to be the hub of a lot of the

1053
00:48:38,219 --> 00:48:31,459
incidents in which people were either

1054
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:38,229
injured or right killed by it by UFOs

1055
00:48:46,089 --> 00:48:42,140
but however there's I know of cases a

1056
00:48:48,009 --> 00:48:46,099
case in India may be a case and and a

1057
00:48:51,279 --> 00:48:48,019
whole long I mean there's our case in

1058
00:48:54,729 --> 00:48:51,289
India which appears to have been some

1059
00:49:00,209 --> 00:48:54,739
kind of encounter with humanoids and

1060
00:49:04,569 --> 00:49:00,219
then a mutilation of human mutilation

1061
00:49:09,179 --> 00:49:04,579
man those are you know kind of taboo in

1062
00:49:15,249 --> 00:49:09,189
many instances this isn't believed in

1063
00:49:19,569 --> 00:49:15,259
1958 whether there was some man's saw a

1064
00:49:22,419 --> 00:49:19,579
couple of children playing and and near

1065
00:49:25,959 --> 00:49:22,429
the where the children were playing an

1066
00:49:27,399 --> 00:49:25,969
opted was seen to land and some small

1067
00:49:29,890 --> 00:49:27,409
figures were seeing to come out of the

1068
00:49:32,469 --> 00:49:29,900
opt-in and and versus children not after

1069
00:49:34,749 --> 00:49:32,479
that he went be hid and he didn't see

1070
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:34,759
what happened after that he left his

1071
00:49:39,999 --> 00:49:38,089
place of hiding where he was and when he

1072
00:49:42,249 --> 00:49:40,009
went to the location where he has seen

1073
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:42,259
the optin and the children he found that

1074
00:49:50,459 --> 00:49:45,880
one of the children was dead apparently

1075
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,469
he had been mutilated his eyes removed

1076
00:49:56,649 --> 00:49:53,599
anal cavity you know it's like you hear

1077
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,659
when it happens to cattle and the older

1078
00:50:01,630 --> 00:49:59,119
child was in a catatonic state

1079
00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:01,640
this incident supposedly happened in

1080
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:06,140
1950 in India this is from researcher

1081
00:50:11,649 --> 00:50:09,529
Jenny Randall's from England wow that's

1082
00:50:13,179 --> 00:50:11,659
that's quite bizarre I've always been on

1083
00:50:15,849 --> 00:50:13,189
the lookout for years I've been on the

1084
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:15,859
lookout for cattle mutilation cases from

1085
00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:18,140
India this is the first mutilation case

1086
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:19,320
that I've

1087
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,060
from India but it turns out to be a

1088
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:23,040
child that's really that's rather

1089
00:50:29,890 --> 00:50:26,760
sobering India does not seem to figure

1090
00:50:33,070 --> 00:50:29,900
very prominently in most ufologist

1091
00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:33,080
databases what are the number of cases

1092
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:35,070
approximately that you have from India's

1093
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:37,170
is this something that's fairly rare

1094
00:50:42,020 --> 00:50:40,410
there humanoid encounters obviously a

1095
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:42,030
human relation case will be extremely

1096
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:44,460
rare but how much activity has it been

1097
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:46,710
over the years in India whoa quite a bit

1098
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:48,900
but you're right I don't have that many

1099
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,560
humanoid cases from India I was talking

1100
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:55,380
to a researcher there not too long ago

1101
00:51:00,400 --> 00:50:57,570
he said that a lot of the there have

1102
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:00,410
been cases but many could be

1103
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:04,110
sociological reasons or people don't

1104
00:51:09,350 --> 00:51:06,030
come out and talk about these things

1105
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:09,360
over there they're interpreted as maybe

1106
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:12,660
encounters with deities you know the you

1107
00:51:20,420 --> 00:51:16,470
know the India and the Hindu religion as

1108
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:20,430
a myriad of gods and goddesses and

1109
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:23,640
they're interpreted on and and at that

1110
00:51:27,790 --> 00:51:25,530
level and many of them are not

1111
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:27,800
interpreted as perhaps like

1112
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:30,450
extraterrestrial or humanoid but there

1113
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:33,780
are some cases in and the files not that

1114
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:35,790
many yeah how about monkey man remember

1115
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,230
monkey man from a few years back that

1116
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:39,180
was kind of their version of the

1117
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:41,850
spring-heeled Jack he was a leap up from

1118
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:44,730
the from the street up to the top of two

1119
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:47,130
and three storey buildings and chased

1120
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:48,990
people around I think a couple of people

1121
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,960
even died from shock and panic and once

1122
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:53,700
you once you give us a brief overview of

1123
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:56,460
that particular series of encounters

1124
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:58,140
that's pretty interesting I'd be

1125
00:52:04,610 --> 00:52:00,660
included in my recent book this is back

1126
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:04,620
in 2002 there were many cases around New

1127
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:07,530
Delhi mostly are on New Delhi area but

1128
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:10,920
another are there areas but this monkey

1129
00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:13,290
man there were there were different

1130
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:16,620
descriptions of the sanity some people

1131
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:19,110
described it as short hairy you know a

1132
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:21,630
lot of hair and wearing a some kind of

1133
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:24,540
brown smock bright eyes and there were

1134
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:27,260
he will come and and a lot of times the

1135
00:52:31,070 --> 00:52:29,310
witnesses were scratch or they were

1136
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:31,080
really frightened though other people

1137
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:33,120
describe the entity as being able

1138
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:36,480
jump up take tremendous leaps into the

1139
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,530
air even fly you know short distances

1140
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:42,240
but there were many different

1141
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:45,360
descriptions what I know is a one

1142
00:52:52,610 --> 00:52:49,110
pregnant woman fell down the steps upon

1143
00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:52,620
seeing the creature and consequently

1144
00:52:57,050 --> 00:52:54,390
died after that and there was another

1145
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:57,060
man that was found after an encounter he

1146
00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:59,490
was found scratched and he was also dead

1147
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:01,710
they thought it was related with the

1148
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:04,050
kind of encounter with a monkey man

1149
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:07,260
now after that I believe there are no

1150
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:11,700
more cases until 2004 when they had also

1151
00:53:19,310 --> 00:53:15,300
and in the reports of it wasn't really

1152
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:19,320
an entity or humanoid but was like like

1153
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:23,130
a ball of light that emitted like loud

1154
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:26,040
humming and they will burnt burn the the

1155
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:28,710
witness it was like cost a lot of

1156
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,750
injuries also around the New Delhi area

1157
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:32,940
it was also in the news for a while this

1158
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:36,540
is I believe 2004 there are a lot of

1159
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:38,730
injuries related to that okay so why is

1160
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:43,770
in the papers in India you know I

1161
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:46,380
believe it was in the papers but I don't

1162
00:53:51,050 --> 00:53:48,210
like I don't really have the reference

1163
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:51,060
with me but it was they went on for a

1164
00:53:55,550 --> 00:53:53,010
while maybe just like the monkey man the

1165
00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:55,560
monkey was in the papers and it was it

1166
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,960
was even covered in papers here no I

1167
00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:00,540
believe in the UK now one of the

1168
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:02,790
considerations here is in collecting all

1169
00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:04,920
these cases do you ever get a chance to

1170
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:06,990
actually go down on the scene to

1171
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,090
investigate to interview people and see

1172
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:11,760
for yourself what's going on I've done

1173
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:12,180
that

1174
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:16,290
locally on several cases delayed read

1175
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:19,710
most recent one talked to a young man

1176
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:23,850
here in Miami the Western Dade County he

1177
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:27,300
has had several incidents of encounters

1178
00:54:34,070 --> 00:54:31,920
um the only humanoid case was that I

1179
00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:34,080
could term as a humanoid he was last

1180
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:37,470
year maybe in the summer he he was

1181
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:39,270
outstanding in the front of his home and

1182
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:42,890
he saw something coming down the road

1183
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:46,380
that to him it looked like a car but

1184
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:48,900
wasn't a car I don't know if you know

1185
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:49,470
what I mean

1186
00:54:56,090 --> 00:54:52,920
he said it looked like like a bull I'm

1187
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,100
the old bull swaggins but it was had a

1188
00:54:59,960 --> 00:54:58,260
big fender but he couldn't see any tires

1189
00:55:01,640 --> 00:54:59,970
or wheels okay it looked like the

1190
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:01,650
original Volkswagen Beetle then they

1191
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:03,300
write something like that but he was

1192
00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:04,680
kind of luminous and didn't have any

1193
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:06,270
wheels it is kind of floating over the

1194
00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:08,910
ground it came over it kind of stopped

1195
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:11,190
I haven't even summarized this case yeah

1196
00:55:17,330 --> 00:55:13,890
that stopped in front of his home and he

1197
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:17,340
was kind of in a daze and he walked over

1198
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:20,070
and he did or non the other side open

1199
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:23,160
any so legs coming out of the car after

1200
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:26,280
that he doesn't remember he did this

1201
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:28,530
next memory was being inside of the home

1202
00:55:33,970 --> 00:55:31,260
sitting and watching TV or something but

1203
00:55:37,070 --> 00:55:33,980
him and his girlfriend has experienced

1204
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:37,080
other strange incidents in the house not

1205
00:55:43,330 --> 00:55:38,910
necessarily humanoid in nature

1206
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:43,340
I also interview a boy here in Homestead

1207
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:46,920
it was just south of Miami closer to the

1208
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:51,540
keys he saw a being or entity in a feel

1209
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,810
across his home of course that area

1210
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:56,280
there were homestead is a lot of fields

1211
00:56:04,250 --> 00:55:59,700
it's mostly agricultural is that it was

1212
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:04,260
a tall figure wearing an silvery suit

1213
00:56:11,810 --> 00:56:07,710
and the interesting part would be he had

1214
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:11,820
some kind of insignia luminescent Cygnet

1215
00:56:16,070 --> 00:56:13,590
and like in the chest there he looked

1216
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:16,080
like a badge to him some kind of

1217
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:17,640
inscription but he couldn't tell exactly

1218
00:56:21,850 --> 00:56:18,630
what it was

1219
00:56:26,090 --> 00:56:21,860
sounds like a superhero something maybe

1220
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:26,100
what do you call that the power rangers

1221
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,410
or something but he he he had luminous

1222
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:30,180
eyes and he was looking at there I

1223
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,010
talked to him personally to the boy and

1224
00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:35,520
his family and he sounded pretty sober

1225
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:38,340
and he didn't appear to me that he was

1226
00:56:43,220 --> 00:56:41,250
making it up after that is according to

1227
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:43,230
him and him I his family has weird

1228
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:47,880
dreams you know of being abducted and

1229
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:51,300
stuff like that but he I think he only

1230
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:55,200
saw that entity once I'm still in touch

1231
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:56,370
with him see if there's any more

1232
00:56:59,340 --> 00:56:58,890
incidents of the case is submitted to

1233
00:57:03,210 --> 00:56:59,350
you

1234
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,220
turn out to be hoaxes after

1235
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:05,680
investigation I know in the files that I

1236
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:07,450
have in those they're definitely hoses

1237
00:57:12,330 --> 00:57:10,030
there I include I I tend to include

1238
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,340
everything that's submitted directly to

1239
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:15,760
me yeah I had some people's especially

1240
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:18,940
but there were soul races and so uh I

1241
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:23,020
mean stupid that I could tell right away

1242
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:24,490
it was come on

1243
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:27,130
were you trying to kid one guy trying to

1244
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:30,850
tell me that he was the he's seen what

1245
00:57:37,530 --> 00:57:35,520
appears appear to be a stethoscope

1246
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:37,540
floating around his backyard

1247
00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:41,110
following him trying to take his I don't

1248
00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:47,020
know his vitals or something and and he

1249
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:48,760
sent me about ten or fifteen emails

1250
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,420
begging me to include his case and I

1251
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:54,160
called my boy what are you trying to do

1252
00:57:59,880 --> 00:57:58,090
intern you seriously come on then he he

1253
00:58:02,670 --> 00:57:59,890
I think it was a medication or something

1254
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:02,680
but he said he wasn't watch repeats of

1255
00:58:13,410 --> 00:58:11,050
house on TV too often dr. house took on

1256
00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:13,420
TV took all those pain-killing drugs you

1257
00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:15,580
take enough of those you start seeing

1258
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:20,830
things yeah yeah when it's an outright

1259
00:58:24,930 --> 00:58:22,990
hose and somebody is I don't include it

1260
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:24,940
in them and my files like it you know I

1261
00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:27,610
haven't my files all these nineteen

1262
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:31,240
fifty cases like the contactee cases and

1263
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:33,670
like a damn ski and all some of the

1264
00:58:39,870 --> 00:58:36,730
others that you can tell it you know but

1265
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:39,880
I include them because there's actually

1266
00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:41,890
people that swear from sorry about those

1267
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:43,900
cases that really actually believe there

1268
00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:46,300
are real believers that there are space

1269
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:48,190
brothers and they are coming here to

1270
00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:51,880
help us in 2012 okay so your database

1271
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:53,830
here you're not really vetting

1272
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:55,120
everything you're just including

1273
00:59:00,180 --> 00:58:57,010
anything that just seems like it might

1274
00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:00,190
be vaguely sensible yeah yeah okay yeah

1275
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:03,160
I get a lot of cases from overseas also

1276
00:59:07,350 --> 00:59:04,450
but most of those cases I've been

1277
00:59:09,180 --> 00:59:07,360
investigated and a lot of these cases

1278
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:09,190
are sent over to me and I have

1279
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:11,290
to translate them many of them I have to

1280
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,130
translate I say well we'll get more

1281
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:17,200
involved in these humanoid cases on part

1282
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:20,050
2 of power cast co-host is christopher

1283
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:22,630
o'brien our guest albert rosalee's were

1284
00:59:27,930 --> 00:59:25,450
looking at humanoids connected or not

1285
00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:27,940
connected with UFOs more coming on the

1286
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:33,220
other side of the para cast we want to

1287
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:35,230
hear from you if you have a comment or

1288
00:59:39,930 --> 00:59:37,450
question about the pair cast send it to

1289
00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:39,940
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1290
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:43,180
that's news at the pair cast calm and

1291
00:59:46,829 --> 00:59:45,130
don't forget to visit our forums where

1292
00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:46,839
you can talk to fellow listeners just go

1293
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:49,390
to the para cast calm and click on the

1294
01:00:00,560 --> 00:59:51,849
forum links that's the forum links at

1295
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:02,970
welcome back to the parrot house with

1296
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:11,989
our guest this week Gitmo and researcher

1297
01:00:17,249 --> 01:00:15,130
Albert Rosales our co-host is

1298
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:17,259
Christopher O'Brien still recovering

1299
01:00:24,749 --> 01:00:21,369
from the venom from a scorpion a very

1300
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:24,759
eager scorpion 9et scorpion but it early

1301
01:00:28,349 --> 01:00:26,529
kind of scorpion the kind you find here

1302
01:00:30,479 --> 01:00:28,359
in Arizona Chris you want to pick up on

1303
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:30,489
the questioning first of all we never

1304
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:32,170
really established the just the

1305
01:00:37,289 --> 01:00:34,630
impressive extent of your database how

1306
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:37,299
many about how many reports and cases

1307
01:00:44,370 --> 01:00:40,930
you have now right now I will say close

1308
01:00:47,009 --> 01:00:44,380
to 15,000 already well I still have

1309
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:47,019
wonders here to enter and from books

1310
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:49,569
like I get from different parts of the

1311
01:00:54,450 --> 01:00:52,210
world I got to translate them and I mean

1312
01:00:57,029 --> 01:00:54,460
a lot of these books and journals and

1313
01:00:59,519 --> 01:00:57,039
cases that I get are unheard of here in

1314
01:01:01,019 --> 01:00:59,529
the United States which is interesting I

1315
01:01:04,229 --> 01:01:01,029
want to include them so that way

1316
01:01:07,049 --> 01:01:04,239
everybody has access to what goes on in

1317
01:01:08,729 --> 01:01:07,059
different parts of the world we want you

1318
01:01:11,249 --> 01:01:08,739
to throw the fact that here in the u.s.

1319
01:01:13,849 --> 01:01:11,259
we don't pay attention to the fact that

1320
01:01:16,289 --> 01:01:13,859
UFOs it happens to be a worldwide

1321
01:01:17,999 --> 01:01:16,299
phenomenon we don't look at South

1322
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:18,009
America we don't look at Europe we don't

1323
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:20,170
certainly look good Asia we don't look

1324
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:22,089
at third world countries very

1325
01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:24,729
unfortunate but how do you pick up cases

1326
01:01:29,009 --> 01:01:26,680
like that is it always because of the

1327
01:01:31,620 --> 01:01:29,019
fact that you have people around the

1328
01:01:33,150 --> 01:01:31,630
world who are submitting stuff to you or

1329
01:01:34,829 --> 01:01:33,160
you have to sit back and just do all the

1330
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,839
research yourself do you have helpers I

1331
01:01:40,529 --> 01:01:37,119
have a couple people yeah I have some

1332
01:01:42,959 --> 01:01:40,539
helpers definitely lately I've been

1333
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:42,969
getting help from and down South America

1334
01:01:48,269 --> 01:01:45,609
Chile Argentina I have some what I

1335
01:01:50,569 --> 01:01:48,279
normally do we exchange information I

1336
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:50,579
send them stuff and they send me stuff

1337
01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:52,809
sometimes I used to have a guy in the

1338
01:01:58,529 --> 01:01:55,390
Ukraine that I will send them packages

1339
01:02:00,539 --> 01:01:58,539
every other month books magazines that

1340
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:00,549
he can't he couldn't get over there in

1341
01:02:05,539 --> 01:02:03,369
the Ukraine they spoke English so he was

1342
01:02:08,489 --> 01:02:05,549
able to read them and he will send me

1343
01:02:12,059 --> 01:02:08,499
cases that he would translate for me and

1344
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:12,069
I will do that and I had you know people

1345
01:02:19,469 --> 01:02:16,150
from Australia Poland Sweden Germany the

1346
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:19,479
many different kinds Canada helped me

1347
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:20,480
with

1348
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:25,430
how we met is you're an enquiring about

1349
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:28,000
a couple of cases from my database and

1350
01:02:33,609 --> 01:02:31,760
things recall that that's how when we I

1351
01:02:35,830 --> 01:02:33,619
first found out about you and your work

1352
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:35,840
and I was quite impressed with the way

1353
01:02:40,270 --> 01:02:38,090
that you approached me and how you asked

1354
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,280
for the information wasn't it wasn't

1355
01:02:44,349 --> 01:02:43,280
just sended long or can I use it it was

1356
01:02:46,570 --> 01:02:44,359
like you really wanted to know more

1357
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:46,580
about it and I think that that's that

1358
01:02:51,849 --> 01:02:49,130
side of human nature that sort of

1359
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:51,859
curiosity and wanting to know the facts

1360
01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:53,710
I think is really important for a

1361
01:02:57,460 --> 01:02:55,670
researcher such as yourself

1362
01:03:00,190 --> 01:02:57,470
you can't always take everything at face

1363
01:03:03,940 --> 01:03:00,200
value if there is an opportunity to dig

1364
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:03,950
into it I'm impressed that you do to go

1365
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:08,450
the extra mile and do that on these

1366
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:12,190
cases communication doesn't seem to be

1367
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:14,510
it seems to be the exception rather than

1368
01:03:19,950 --> 01:03:17,690
the norm most of these cases are seem to

1369
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:19,960
be just these means are being observed

1370
01:03:24,430 --> 01:03:22,430
what percentage would you say of cases

1371
01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:24,440
are there is there an actual interaction

1372
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:28,460
with the humanoid-type and it and and do

1373
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:30,460
you see any sort of I don't know just

1374
01:03:36,490 --> 01:03:33,290
consistency in terms of the what these

1375
01:03:37,810 --> 01:03:36,500
humanoid types are asking or saying is

1376
01:03:40,930 --> 01:03:37,820
there any rhyme or reason to the

1377
01:03:44,099 --> 01:03:40,940
communication well most of the cases in

1378
01:03:47,050 --> 01:03:44,109
which communication is reported is

1379
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:47,060
telepathic communication and most of

1380
01:03:52,750 --> 01:03:49,970
these cases are the abduction cases or

1381
01:03:56,170 --> 01:03:52,760
the abduction scenarios many times

1382
01:03:59,230 --> 01:03:56,180
there's cases in which the main theme

1383
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,240
here that they seem to communicate when

1384
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:02,240
there's their first encounters they tell

1385
01:04:06,580 --> 01:04:04,010
you right a way that tell whether the

1386
01:04:09,940 --> 01:04:06,590
encounters don't be afraid I'm not here

1387
01:04:12,070 --> 01:04:09,950
at you don't thank God they say that and

1388
01:04:15,550 --> 01:04:12,080
then a lot of these people that claim

1389
01:04:17,950 --> 01:04:15,560
encounters and abductions are told that

1390
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:17,960
they they'll be back one day they're

1391
01:04:21,609 --> 01:04:19,220
coming back they'll be back you'll see

1392
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:21,619
me well again they don't really give you

1393
01:04:26,770 --> 01:04:23,210
a time frame a lot of people I invited

1394
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:26,780
to go with them they're told do you want

1395
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:29,570
to come with us and a lot of the people

1396
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:31,260
most of the people are

1397
01:04:37,350 --> 01:04:34,810
reluctant or hesitant then they they

1398
01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:37,360
want to know for how long and I know

1399
01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:39,580
cases of people they've been told you'll

1400
01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:42,100
be gone for a couple month three month a

1401
01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:45,190
year and some people been told no you'll

1402
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:47,590
never be back again but it would be

1403
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:50,770
better for you I I suspect they're

1404
01:04:55,410 --> 01:04:52,810
they're people that had said yes and

1405
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,420
they're never been seen again where they

1406
01:05:01,440 --> 01:04:57,520
had now I don't know but I don't know if

1407
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:01,450
you'll recall the incident of Frederick

1408
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:04,030
Valentich back in 78 they gathered

1409
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:05,770
disappear in a plane down in Australia

1410
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:10,270
he reported a UFO coming close to he had

1411
01:05:18,090 --> 01:05:14,050
a small aircraft and it hovered over him

1412
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:18,100
and this last transmission was something

1413
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,450
that he was getting closed and there

1414
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:21,760
were some noise and he was never seen

1415
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:24,850
again it was a search and nothing was

1416
01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:27,850
found and there were other other people

1417
01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:30,520
that saw that's other UFOs in the area

1418
01:05:35,610 --> 01:05:32,500
around the same time and there's another

1419
01:05:40,590 --> 01:05:35,620
similar case in 1918 near Puerto Rico

1420
01:05:42,750 --> 01:05:40,600
two men and no aircraft reported being

1421
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:42,760
harassed or followed by a craft that

1422
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:45,190
wouldn't let him maneuver where they

1423
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:47,050
were headed to some believe Santo

1424
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:49,690
Domingo in Dominican Republic or they

1425
01:05:54,060 --> 01:05:50,770
were headed back to Puerto Rico and

1426
01:05:56,430 --> 01:05:54,070
sorry and this craft was following then

1427
01:06:01,220 --> 01:05:56,440
and and their transmission was picked up

1428
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:01,230
by a very Airlines coming from Spain to

1429
01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:05,950
Florida and think the guy finally gave

1430
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:08,470
up it says no like a disc raffle and let

1431
01:06:14,970 --> 01:06:13,030
me go anywhere and I have no we're lost

1432
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:14,980
we can't go anywhere the courseid this

1433
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,810
they were never heard from again either

1434
01:06:20,730 --> 01:06:18,880
airplane was never found his father was

1435
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:20,740
a lieutenant commander in the Puerto

1436
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:24,490
Rican police and he spent years trying

1437
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:25,690
to figure out what happened to his son

1438
01:06:31,890 --> 01:06:28,210
he searched the area by himself

1439
01:06:34,140 --> 01:06:31,900
many times soon after the Coast Guard

1440
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,150
finished searching and they never found

1441
01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:36,640
his son and there there are many cases

1442
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:39,220
in which UFO Center directly related to

1443
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:45,810
now when we looking at that here is it

1444
01:06:50,310 --> 01:06:47,530
always possible here at the people who

1445
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:50,320
disappeared for a period of time whether

1446
01:06:55,020 --> 01:06:53,050
it was months years or forever they had

1447
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:55,030
other reasons other compelling reasons

1448
01:06:59,340 --> 01:06:56,770
to disappear maybe they had financial

1449
01:07:01,110 --> 01:06:59,350
difficulties they had legal difficulties

1450
01:07:02,970 --> 01:07:01,120
the police are after them or something

1451
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:02,980
or maybe they didn't tell us and they

1452
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:04,770
just disappeared before they were caught

1453
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:07,330
I'm sure that 90% of the people that

1454
01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:09,370
voluntarily vanishes is that's the

1455
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:12,790
reason but there's always that the small

1456
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:16,390
percentage that have no reason at all

1457
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,690
for them disappearing or there they

1458
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:21,760
disappear in strange circumstances

1459
01:07:27,390 --> 01:07:24,520
they're like these two cases I just

1460
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:27,400
mentioned or I know of some cases in

1461
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:30,250
which people have disappeared the

1462
01:07:35,820 --> 01:07:34,060
vicinity of like a case in Brazil again

1463
01:07:38,610 --> 01:07:35,830
we go back to Brazil in 78 that two

1464
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:38,620
cousins according to the incident that

1465
01:07:44,420 --> 01:07:40,960
were picked up by a UFO - two boys there

1466
01:07:48,030 --> 01:07:44,430
were maybe 14 or 50 years old this is in

1467
01:07:51,030 --> 01:07:48,040
that place called piranhas and Brazil

1468
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:51,040
and state I think the state of Minas get

1469
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:54,160
ice and 78 they were picked up by a UFO

1470
01:07:59,250 --> 01:07:56,650
but that were gone for maybe one or two

1471
01:08:01,650 --> 01:07:59,260
days one of the boys was brought back he

1472
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:01,660
was found like 200 kilometres away from

1473
01:08:05,730 --> 01:08:04,030
me he was originally picked up his

1474
01:08:06,620 --> 01:08:05,740
cousin however was never seen or heard

1475
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:06,630
from again

1476
01:08:12,690 --> 01:08:10,510
apparently they let him go and they took

1477
01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:12,700
his cousin well and this case was

1478
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:15,220
verified by local researchers there's a

1479
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,170
lot of the information and it's like

1480
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:18,880
he's saying in South America and some of

1481
01:08:23,340 --> 01:08:20,890
the other parts of the world and the

1482
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:23,350
former folks Soviet Union and all those

1483
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:25,210
places are we never hear from him we

1484
01:08:30,090 --> 01:08:28,030
totally ignore over here yeah like I

1485
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:30,100
said most of the I mean in my opinion

1486
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:33,730
the general public most of the public is

1487
01:08:38,910 --> 01:08:36,330
doesn't have a clue what was going on

1488
01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:38,920
that's true especially Americans seem to

1489
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,260
have blinders on when it comes to you

1490
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:42,880
know they think American reports are the

1491
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:44,380
only ones that matter and I think some

1492
01:08:48,599 --> 01:08:46,210
of the most if not the most compelling

1493
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:48,609
cases do not come from the United States

1494
01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:52,060
I think the rather cookie cutter here as

1495
01:08:54,729 --> 01:08:53,560
opposed to South America as you

1496
01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:54,739
mentioned or

1497
01:08:59,140 --> 01:08:57,230
Europe like Eastern Europe didn't tend

1498
01:09:01,120 --> 01:08:59,150
to have much more bizarre reports like

1499
01:09:03,459 --> 01:09:01,130
collective Armenia case what do you make

1500
01:09:05,170 --> 01:09:03,469
of that particular case well maybe

1501
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:05,180
explain to our listeners first because

1502
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:09,440
we've had AJ Rivera on the show a couple

1503
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,330
of years back talking about Brazilian

1504
01:09:15,940 --> 01:09:13,520
cases but before we look at the

1505
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,950
implications maybe Albert remind our

1506
01:09:20,170 --> 01:09:17,120
listeners what it's all about

1507
01:09:24,130 --> 01:09:20,180
but in your case in Brazil back in

1508
01:09:28,510 --> 01:09:24,140
nineteen I'm sorry then 1996 yes

1509
01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:28,520
January there was a reports first there

1510
01:09:32,050 --> 01:09:30,680
were some reports of a UFO appear to be

1511
01:09:34,539 --> 01:09:32,060
in trouble there were smoke coming from

1512
01:09:36,809 --> 01:09:34,549
it a cigar-shaped craft reportedly

1513
01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:36,819
crashed a little bit soon after that

1514
01:09:44,380 --> 01:09:40,540
some girls and house cursed of budding a

1515
01:09:46,749 --> 01:09:44,390
place called hunting under a reported

1516
01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:46,759
encounter encounter several creatures

1517
01:09:53,769 --> 01:09:51,710
and the bushes that were like short with

1518
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:53,779
little riches on their head big heads

1519
01:09:59,770 --> 01:09:56,590
red eyes again there were not grace

1520
01:10:03,220 --> 01:09:59,780
totally different from grace and these

1521
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:03,230
were apparently the survivors of a crash

1522
01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:05,120
there was immediately there was police

1523
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:08,469
and military activity in the area and

1524
01:10:14,140 --> 01:10:11,930
supposedly the Brazilian pilita

1525
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:14,150
military capture and was able to

1526
01:10:21,190 --> 01:10:17,870
recovers some of these creatures during

1527
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:21,200
the incident and they killed clay some

1528
01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:22,910
of these soldiers came came in close

1529
01:10:27,850 --> 01:10:25,160
contact with the creatures and one of

1530
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:27,860
them reportedly died as a result he

1531
01:10:33,190 --> 01:10:30,080
developed some kind of disease or

1532
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:33,200
condition that could not be corrected

1533
01:10:39,130 --> 01:10:37,430
and he died shortly after and this is

1534
01:10:42,580 --> 01:10:39,140
this case is one of the most compelling

1535
01:10:45,550 --> 01:10:42,590
that I think when it comes to possibly a

1536
01:10:49,420 --> 01:10:45,560
crash I think it's even more important

1537
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:49,430
and Roswell I mean well the creatures

1538
01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:51,890
were spotted the reports were coming in

1539
01:10:57,010 --> 01:10:55,070
two three months later right supposedly

1540
01:10:59,290 --> 01:10:57,020
one of the creatures was not captured

1541
01:11:02,130 --> 01:10:59,300
and was seen lurking around the area

1542
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:02,140
also there was quite a bit of

1543
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:04,790
speculation that somehow officials from

1544
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:05,400
NASA

1545
01:11:11,899 --> 01:11:08,580
I think we were seen going into the

1546
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:11,909
hospital we have reports of an autopsy

1547
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,760
that supposedly was done what is the

1548
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:16,560
state of the case now I mean how have we

1549
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:20,489
learned anything from about the 98 mm

1550
01:11:25,939 --> 01:11:22,380
point on I think that's about when the

1551
01:11:29,149 --> 01:11:25,949
case sort of faded away in in most

1552
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:29,159
ufologist minds to some extent but have

1553
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:30,449
you heard of any other new developments

1554
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:31,980
has anyone come forward from the

1555
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:34,020
hospital or from the military

1556
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:38,159
last I heard it was several people

1557
01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:40,890
involved in the hospital like nurses and

1558
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:44,820
doctors they they sort of confirmed the

1559
01:11:52,340 --> 01:11:47,310
incident with some of the Brazilian

1560
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,350
researchers like Guevara and they they

1561
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:54,960
smoke they spoke more about the death of

1562
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:56,699
the soldier that would came in close

1563
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,440
contact and was more detail than that

1564
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:00,960
I've been trying to update that case and

1565
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:04,650
I in my files it's still a stack of

1566
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:08,640
stuff here to do but as of 2000 and the

1567
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:10,530
early 2000 haven't been too much out of

1568
01:12:14,260 --> 01:12:13,260
that case much more in new information I

1569
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:14,270
meant

1570
01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:23,229
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1571
01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:27,270
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

1572
01:12:31,879 --> 01:12:29,550
creatures from the darkest corners of

1573
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:31,889
the mind roam the earth is there

1574
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:34,530
evidence for mind control time travel

1575
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:37,800
are devious government conspiracies find

1576
01:12:42,290 --> 01:12:39,659
out the inside scoop on the latest

1577
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,300
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1578
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:44,880
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1587
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1588
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1589
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:33,490
we have Alberto Salas an experiencer

1590
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:36,770
he's had unusual encounters with this

1591
01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:38,510
family other things through its life and

1592
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:41,540
also a researcher into humanoid cases

1593
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:43,850
now maybe we look at the endgame here

1594
01:13:48,370 --> 01:13:46,489
have you reached any conclusions all

1595
01:13:50,350 --> 01:13:48,380
this data you have there we realize some

1596
01:13:52,420 --> 01:13:50,360
of it may not have been fully vetted

1597
01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:52,430
some of it is just there for the sake of

1598
01:13:58,350 --> 01:13:55,340
historical record but have you begun to

1599
01:14:02,020 --> 01:13:58,360
think what might be causing all these

1600
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:02,030
reports of humanoids throughout history

1601
01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:05,600
I don't know but I think we might be

1602
01:14:11,740 --> 01:14:09,260
reaching a some type of like you call it

1603
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:11,750
an endgame because it's been going on

1604
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:13,610
for so long if you think about it but

1605
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:15,380
would go back thousands of years of this

1606
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:20,330
type of incidence of encounters is it

1607
01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:22,160
gonna go on forever I don't know it

1608
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,510
seems like it has it seems like and if

1609
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:29,120
my belief that we on earth we have there

1610
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:32,020
have been other civilizations before us

1611
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:34,730
for some reason they have come to an end

1612
01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:37,250
and somebody some other civilization has

1613
01:14:41,650 --> 01:14:39,350
started maybe it's our turn to go I

1614
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:41,660
don't know maybe this is coming to a

1615
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:44,620
point when there's gonna be some kind of

1616
01:14:49,540 --> 01:14:47,840
like they call it Earth's change I don't

1617
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,550
know but I think there's gotta be a

1618
01:14:55,570 --> 01:14:52,400
point to all this exactly what it is I

1619
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:55,580
wish I knew well having even considered

1620
01:14:59,790 --> 01:14:58,250
that possibility do you see things and

1621
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,800
maybe the information that's

1622
01:15:04,330 --> 01:15:02,480
communicated by the anti DS to the

1623
01:15:06,220 --> 01:15:04,340
witnesses that might indicate some kind

1624
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,230
of purpose that's assuming of course

1625
01:15:11,170 --> 01:15:07,760
it's not all deception which it might be

1626
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:11,180
well you guys of course remember the the

1627
01:15:17,380 --> 01:15:12,560
Chilean earthquake Chilean earthquake

1628
01:15:20,770 --> 01:15:17,390
good this year in 2009 there was a case

1629
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,780
is in my if you look at my 2009 files

1630
01:15:26,979 --> 01:15:22,880
she'll be there a case in August and

1631
01:15:30,370 --> 01:15:26,989
France in which the witnesses were told

1632
01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:30,380
that to watch out for the date February

1633
01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:33,620
28 or 29 that there was going to be a

1634
01:15:42,910 --> 01:15:38,870
major catastrophe watch out for and 2010

1635
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:42,920
February 28 29 which of course it did

1636
01:15:45,729 --> 01:15:44,330
occur there was definitely a major

1637
01:15:47,470 --> 01:15:45,739
catastrophe of course they didn't

1638
01:15:48,970 --> 01:15:47,480
mention anything about the bigger

1639
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:48,980
catastrophe of the Haitian earthquake

1640
01:15:56,740 --> 01:15:51,920
right before that one early January I

1641
01:15:59,890 --> 01:15:56,750
think that this entities have the the

1642
01:16:01,060 --> 01:15:59,900
ability to tell what what the futures

1643
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:01,070
gonna bring

1644
01:16:07,870 --> 01:16:04,850
or is bringing us but that's in the 2009

1645
01:16:10,990 --> 01:16:07,880
fall they apparently they they were able

1646
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:11,000
to describe exactly what was gonna

1647
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:13,010
happen and the case was written down

1648
01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:16,250
before the earthquake it wasn't done

1649
01:16:23,950 --> 01:16:21,830
like after the earthquake 2009 fall I

1650
01:16:26,830 --> 01:16:23,960
believe August it kind of reminds me of

1651
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:26,840
John keel being told that there was

1652
01:16:30,580 --> 01:16:29,090
gonna be some cataclysmic occurrence I

1653
01:16:33,220 --> 01:16:30,590
think it was the assassination of the

1654
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:33,230
Pope if I recall on a particular date

1655
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:34,400
and it turned out that that's when the

1656
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:37,310
silver bridge collapsed yeah he was he

1657
01:16:41,860 --> 01:16:39,710
was lied to he was told several things

1658
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:41,870
that never happened and then the bridge

1659
01:16:49,660 --> 01:16:46,850
collapsed and yeah so I'm kind of I

1660
01:16:52,270 --> 01:16:49,670
don't know some kind of uh they they

1661
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,280
give you little hints and pieces here

1662
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,040
but when the true events comes around

1663
01:16:59,800 --> 01:16:56,960
you don't know is that is that very

1664
01:17:02,770 --> 01:16:59,810
prevalent is that something that happens

1665
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:02,780
a lot some sort of prophet prophecy

1666
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:06,050
being handed over to humans by these

1667
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:09,590
humanoids is that pretty rare it has

1668
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:13,040
been pretty prevalent it was pretty

1669
01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:14,570
prevalent back in the 90s

1670
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:18,230
89 and Eastern Europe for some reason

1671
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:19,910
right after the collapse of the Soviet

1672
01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:23,980
Union there was a humongous wave of

1673
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:26,390
encounters with humanoids and entities

1674
01:17:34,090 --> 01:17:30,650
from 89 to 1991 and all that region

1675
01:17:37,180 --> 01:17:34,100
there Russia Ukraine all the former

1676
01:17:39,490 --> 01:17:37,190
provinces of the Soviet Union and a lot

1677
01:17:41,380 --> 01:17:39,500
of these encounters the and the

1678
01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:41,390
witnesses were told by the entity

1679
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:44,860
about future coming they mentioned go

1680
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:48,310
worming they mentioned coming Wars

1681
01:17:53,670 --> 01:17:51,730
guitars from dead it's been pretty

1682
01:17:57,810 --> 01:17:53,680
prevalent every time there's an

1683
01:17:59,160 --> 01:17:57,820
encounter with a with aliens not every

1684
01:18:00,750 --> 01:17:59,170
time I think now a lot of times when

1685
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:00,760
there's an encounter with aliens or

1686
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:04,080
suppose that aliens they they sort of

1687
01:18:10,740 --> 01:18:09,250
hint to coming disasters it's more

1688
01:18:13,260 --> 01:18:10,750
prevalent than we think

1689
01:18:15,660 --> 01:18:13,270
actually well that gets to be the whole

1690
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:15,670
thing about deception where creatures

1691
01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:17,260
come down they say something and

1692
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:19,540
sometimes it comes to pass and sometimes

1693
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:21,850
it doesn't but the thing that bothers me

1694
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:23,650
about the whole thing is the fact that

1695
01:18:27,810 --> 01:18:25,450
it's gone on for so long I mean if ET

1696
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:27,820
comes here on a starship and they set up

1697
01:18:31,290 --> 01:18:29,890
a base on the moon or whatever they send

1698
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:31,300
their Scout ships over here and maybe

1699
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:33,630
occasionally they crash and you think

1700
01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:36,940
thousands of years to coming here going

1701
01:18:42,030 --> 01:18:39,790
back and forth to whatever but you know

1702
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:42,040
we can't nail it down isn't there

1703
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:43,450
something that might indicate maybe

1704
01:18:52,290 --> 01:18:47,400
they're closer to home and Zeta Reticuli

1705
01:18:54,930 --> 01:18:52,300
you know what my feeling my theory and

1706
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:54,940
that I like to expose more than the

1707
01:19:00,330 --> 01:18:57,370
extra-terrestrial theories that maybe

1708
01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:00,340
we're being visited by people from other

1709
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:02,590
beings from other dimensions other

1710
01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:05,970
universe within ours from other

1711
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:08,680
dimensional planes of existence that

1712
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:10,960
there might be hundreds of them in our

1713
01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:13,870
own flat or earth here in our you know

1714
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:15,580
our three-dimensional world

1715
01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:18,250
maybe there's about a hundred dimensions

1716
01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:20,140
that we don't see and once in a while

1717
01:19:25,140 --> 01:19:22,390
somebody or something from one of those

1718
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:25,150
dimensions is able to cross over and

1719
01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:28,450
wreak havoc here with us maybe we're the

1720
01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:32,380
UFOs in their world I know of cases that

1721
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:34,840
it seems to indicate that these

1722
01:19:41,490 --> 01:19:37,570
creatures are able to appear some early

1723
01:19:43,380 --> 01:19:41,500
from what appear to be portals or into

1724
01:19:45,810 --> 01:19:43,390
your room they say that you're sleeping

1725
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:45,820
in the bed and all of a sudden some kind

1726
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:49,090
of portal materializes in your bedroom

1727
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:51,940
and out of that portal somebody walks

1728
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:55,360
out and then there's an interaction with

1729
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,730
that creature

1730
01:20:00,770 --> 01:19:58,560
and your your your first thing you might

1731
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,780
be an extraterrestrial but necessarily

1732
01:20:05,740 --> 01:20:02,480
maybe we're digging with the

1733
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:05,750
interdimensional beans I have a matter

1734
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:08,640
transporter just like Star Trek does you

1735
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:09,930
know I mean they're experimenting with

1736
01:20:16,340 --> 01:20:13,650
that in the test labs now yes yes and

1737
01:20:18,020 --> 01:20:16,350
also aim disability Delos um they become

1738
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:18,030
invisible like some of the Bigfoot

1739
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:20,640
creatures have been reported and first

1740
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:23,130
for some reason they they're seen

1741
01:20:26,570 --> 01:20:24,600
running down the field all that Sunday

1742
01:20:28,700 --> 01:20:26,580
they disappeared and they appear again

1743
01:20:30,980 --> 01:20:28,710
the eye center of the case is that and

1744
01:20:34,730 --> 01:20:30,990
that way I know that case here in Miami

1745
01:20:36,860 --> 01:20:34,740
the lady was lying our couch watching TV

1746
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:36,870
all aside she was an able to move and

1747
01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:40,880
from her window what appeared to be a I

1748
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:43,470
the window that led to the street

1749
01:20:49,940 --> 01:20:46,110
something that resembled a TV screen

1750
01:20:50,990 --> 01:20:49,950
came floated in and hover over you know

1751
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:51,000
the bedroom floor

1752
01:20:57,170 --> 01:20:54,260
and I know that TV scream I figured

1753
01:20:59,690 --> 01:20:57,180
climbed out looked like a man wearing a

1754
01:21:02,300 --> 01:20:59,700
uniform car cover all with a helmet

1755
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:02,310
bye sir bye sir I think you couldn't see

1756
01:21:07,460 --> 01:21:04,770
any facial details she was unable to

1757
01:21:09,260 --> 01:21:07,470
move all the sudden she kind of was able

1758
01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:09,270
to move for some reason and the creature

1759
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:12,630
the man stepped back and he hit a button

1760
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:16,380
in his shirt cover and he jumped back

1761
01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:19,290
he's recording on her he's kind of

1762
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:22,830
summer somersaulted back into the TV

1763
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:25,950
screen thing and disappear into there

1764
01:21:30,650 --> 01:21:27,920
and then it floated out the window again

1765
01:21:32,270 --> 01:21:30,660
that's a bizarre one of course it could

1766
01:21:36,490 --> 01:21:32,280
also look at sleep paralysis or

1767
01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:36,500
something yeah kind of an unusual one I

1768
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:38,820
I've been in ball with sleep paralysis

1769
01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:41,370
sleep paralysis incident here I which I

1770
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:43,380
you're laying in bed and you're unable

1771
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:45,390
to move and you swear you hear somebody

1772
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:47,490
walking around you and but you're unable

1773
01:21:53,540 --> 01:21:49,410
to move but you you you swear that

1774
01:21:56,780 --> 01:21:53,550
you're awake you're noises and Nola stun

1775
01:21:59,060 --> 01:21:56,790
your you're back to reality again that's

1776
01:22:01,460 --> 01:21:59,070
happened to me several times but this

1777
01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:01,470
phenomenon of winking and winking out of

1778
01:22:05,670 --> 01:22:03,480
our reality you almost wonder sometimes

1779
01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:05,680
if this is like a holographic

1780
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:07,540
I mean if you look at the Star Trek

1781
01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:10,060
series mostly in Star Trek next

1782
01:22:14,850 --> 01:22:12,670
generation the holodeck where they can

1783
01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:14,860
go in there and the computers create an

1784
01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:17,140
artificial reality that seems real now

1785
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:19,660
that artificial reality well okay we're

1786
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:21,610
projecting something that will happen

1787
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:24,010
three or four hundred years hence but an

1788
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:25,690
advanced civilization might be able to

1789
01:22:31,230 --> 01:22:28,030
do that now how do we know that what we

1790
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:31,240
see is really there and not some kind of

1791
01:22:37,380 --> 01:22:34,960
movie or show for our benefits oh we

1792
01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:37,390
don't we don't really know some of these

1793
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:39,460
things appear to be just totally

1794
01:22:45,660 --> 01:22:42,670
holographic in nature like some of these

1795
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,670
creatures use they've been seen you

1796
01:22:51,570 --> 01:22:48,360
could see it from the front but then

1797
01:22:53,580 --> 01:22:51,580
appears to be one-dimensional it turns

1798
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:53,590
around and there's nothing there I've

1799
01:22:58,980 --> 01:22:55,930
seen of cases heard of cases like that

1800
01:23:01,290 --> 01:22:58,990
yeah i that's how my case went when I

1801
01:23:05,730 --> 01:23:01,300
was little in 63 the same year that you

1802
01:23:09,150 --> 01:23:05,740
had your first encounter I had a group

1803
01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:09,160
of non-human humanoids and it pieces

1804
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:10,780
that followed me around my neighborhood

1805
01:23:15,660 --> 01:23:13,930
and at one point I was I had stopped to

1806
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:15,670
get a good look at him and watch them

1807
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:17,110
come underneath the streetlight as they

1808
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:19,390
were following me and they turned

1809
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:21,130
sideways and came through the light like

1810
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:22,810
pieces of paper like they had no depth

1811
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:24,880
right so we're to say well that

1812
01:23:30,180 --> 01:23:27,610
terrified me that's is that a detail

1813
01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:30,190
that that that you've encountered in

1814
01:23:34,940 --> 01:23:31,870
your that database is that something

1815
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:34,950
fairly prevalent or is that pretty rare

1816
01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:38,560
but I know several cases that way that

1817
01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:41,230
kind of case that people report T

1818
01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:45,100
dimensional right that they appear to

1819
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:48,160
have no death and or sometimes they're

1820
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:51,730
they're see-through they come in and out

1821
01:24:00,210 --> 01:23:57,730
like a disability and another location I

1822
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:00,220
there's been cases of all the creatures

1823
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:02,130
appear to morph into a different form

1824
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:05,170
you heard of those that might be pretty

1825
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:06,760
rare I've never heard of oh okay it's

1826
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:07,930
like that you mean they take it on a

1827
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:11,440
different humanoid type form yes there's

1828
01:24:17,950 --> 01:24:14,470
a couple cases one from Israel with

1829
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,960
which is some

1830
01:24:22,810 --> 01:24:19,760
weird cases there and not too much known

1831
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:22,820
also here United States and there's a

1832
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:25,489
database of Israeli cases unfortunately

1833
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:28,610
isn't this in Hebrew and I was able to

1834
01:24:33,340 --> 01:24:31,010
translate a little bit but I some of the

1835
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:33,350
cases that there's one case which a

1836
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:37,370
couple and Tala beat came upon me and

1837
01:24:44,740 --> 01:24:40,810
this is inside their home short a

1838
01:24:47,020 --> 01:24:44,750
big-headed great type creature and they

1839
01:24:48,580 --> 01:24:47,030
walking in there in the room and they

1840
01:24:52,150 --> 01:24:48,590
follow it and all of a sudden it seemed

1841
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:52,160
to morph into a tall blond Nordic type

1842
01:24:59,380 --> 01:24:56,810
and then it disappeared out to Scott

1843
01:25:04,330 --> 01:24:59,390
does bizarre there's another case in

1844
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:04,340
which a witness possibly was abducted on

1845
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:07,610
board a craft and he was confronted by a

1846
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:13,310
tall blond Nordic but nor does Nordic

1847
01:25:18,729 --> 01:25:15,440
type seem to be fading in and out and

1848
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:18,739
behind it she saw what a beauty a

1849
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:21,170
resilient are kind of a risk tile

1850
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:28,630
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1875
01:26:37,780 --> 01:26:36,260
people harp on me all the time so I am

1876
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,790
going to get my revenge

1877
01:26:43,899 --> 01:26:40,159
okay so Albert we have all these cases

1878
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:43,909
of people winking in and out and we have

1879
01:26:48,399 --> 01:26:45,650
all these things and maybe we want to go

1880
01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:48,409
back to Paul Young's collective

1881
01:26:53,169 --> 01:26:50,540
unconscious and maybe we're generating

1882
01:26:56,770 --> 01:26:53,179
these illusions for some higher purpose

1883
01:26:59,140 --> 01:26:56,780
that's also a possibility

1884
01:27:03,609 --> 01:26:59,150
yeah collective collective consciousness

1885
01:27:07,149 --> 01:27:03,619
I think John keel called it the super

1886
01:27:10,330 --> 01:27:07,159
spectrum didn't he he thought that this

1887
01:27:14,069 --> 01:27:10,340
whole thing was some kind of everything

1888
01:27:17,260 --> 01:27:14,079
was connected all kinds of entities

1889
01:27:20,819 --> 01:27:17,270
Bigfoot winget creatures Mothman

1890
01:27:24,299 --> 01:27:20,829
humanoids UFOs they're all part of the

1891
01:27:26,859 --> 01:27:24,309
so-called super spectrum that was and

1892
01:27:30,879 --> 01:27:26,869
contact I mean it was connected with

1893
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:30,889
humans somehow for some purpose he's

1894
01:27:35,740 --> 01:27:35,090
just a mess with us the trickster pull

1895
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:35,750
this forward

1896
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:38,449
yeah the trickster exactly now that's

1897
01:27:42,370 --> 01:27:40,250
why I wrote the book stalking the

1898
01:27:44,859 --> 01:27:42,380
tricksters we there's so many cases that

1899
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:44,869
I personally have investigated and

1900
01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:47,449
countless cases that I've heard of from

1901
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:49,780
credible researchers and investigators

1902
01:27:54,580 --> 01:27:52,489
that you know you touched on this at the

1903
01:27:56,830 --> 01:27:54,590
very beginning Albert that that it's

1904
01:28:00,459 --> 01:27:56,840
nonsensical there's just no rhyme or

1905
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,469
reason for why cases occur the way they

1906
01:28:05,620 --> 01:28:02,719
do why these entities do the things they

1907
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:05,630
do why they telepathically sometimes

1908
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:09,290
communicate nonsensical information ask

1909
01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:13,250
just totally bizarre questions there is

1910
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:15,800
a tricksters quality to many of these

1911
01:28:22,089 --> 01:28:19,010
cases and I really feel that that tricks

1912
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,099
the definition it makes as much sense as

1913
01:28:26,530 --> 01:28:24,159
pretty much any of the other

1914
01:28:28,020 --> 01:28:26,540
explanations that are floated out there

1915
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:28,030
especially the extra-terrestrial

1916
01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:29,890
hypothesis

1917
01:28:34,650 --> 01:28:31,630
one thing that we haven't touched on you

1918
01:28:36,090 --> 01:28:34,660
just mentioned it briefly here in terms

1919
01:28:40,530 --> 01:28:36,100
of an observation of one of your

1920
01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:40,540
witnesses reptilian cases how are they

1921
01:28:46,410 --> 01:28:43,750
prevalent where do they mostly occur do

1922
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:46,420
you see any sort of patterning with

1923
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:50,080
these types of descriptions do you know

1924
01:28:55,530 --> 01:28:53,650
when they really first started what you

1925
01:28:58,980 --> 01:28:55,540
know when in your database you first

1926
01:29:00,330 --> 01:28:58,990
start to see these types of reports what

1927
01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:00,340
do you have to say about these reptilian

1928
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:02,830
cases well they've been reported before

1929
01:29:10,980 --> 01:29:06,460
the early like in the 70s

1930
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:10,990
perhaps in the 60s but these cases with

1931
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,210
so-called reptilians are mostly

1932
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:16,000
prevalent here in the United States for

1933
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:18,130
some reason but you remember that case

1934
01:29:24,750 --> 01:29:20,080
back in 72 of the two police officers

1935
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:24,760
and Ohio they saw that reptilian type

1936
01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:28,390
creature on the side of the road this is

1937
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:30,790
March 72 it was seen by two police

1938
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:34,090
officers twice and then there's another

1939
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:38,530
case in New Jersey in 74 a guy driving

1940
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:41,410
down the road they saw big figures

1941
01:29:44,460 --> 01:29:43,090
standing on the side of the road he

1942
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:44,470
looked at it closer and he looked like

1943
01:29:50,940 --> 01:29:46,810
to him he looked like a big reptile with

1944
01:29:55,190 --> 01:29:50,950
red eyes and scaly scaly uh you know

1945
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:55,200
body and these cases were like in 74 72

1946
01:30:02,910 --> 01:29:59,400
which were back then there wasn't talk

1947
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:02,920
reptilians and Brazilian overlords or

1948
01:30:09,860 --> 01:30:07,330
whatever and then and the late 80s

1949
01:30:12,330 --> 01:30:09,870
people started talking about and

1950
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:12,340
countering or telling me while being

1951
01:30:19,580 --> 01:30:16,000
abducted and and then we have some

1952
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:19,590
researchers that focus into the Chilean

1953
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:23,530
side of humanoids like David Icke and

1954
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:27,370
some others but there seem to be

1955
01:30:31,890 --> 01:30:30,130
prevalent here United States reptilian

1956
01:30:34,530 --> 01:30:31,900
encounters I've no 1k serum

1957
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:34,540
Miami but it was more like a morphing

1958
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,410
morphing entity again which at first it

1959
01:30:42,919 --> 01:30:40,800
was a woman tall black

1960
01:30:47,089 --> 01:30:42,929
woman inside of the house that seemed to

1961
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:47,099
morph into a reptilian creature and at

1962
01:30:51,410 --> 01:30:48,570
the same time that was a UFO hovering

1963
01:30:54,290 --> 01:30:51,420
outside this is it back in 83

1964
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:54,300
but there's February's is a wider issue

1965
01:30:59,600 --> 01:30:57,210
here too and this is something that John

1966
01:31:02,450 --> 01:30:59,610
keel has mentioned if you look into the

1967
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:02,460
areas where people see lots of UFOs

1968
01:31:07,729 --> 01:31:05,250
strange creatures whatever lots of other

1969
01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:07,739
crazy stuff is going on but we're so

1970
01:31:11,870 --> 01:31:09,719
focused on the UFOs we don't think about

1971
01:31:14,270 --> 01:31:11,880
Pro Tour guys or the ghosts or the

1972
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:14,280
strange creatures so in looking into

1973
01:31:18,879 --> 01:31:16,440
these cases at all do you see evidence

1974
01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:18,889
that this is just the tip of the iceberg

1975
01:31:25,609 --> 01:31:21,510
yeah and many instances when there's a

1976
01:31:28,220 --> 01:31:25,619
UFO encounter or creature or entity

1977
01:31:29,959 --> 01:31:28,230
encounter there's other stuff going on

1978
01:31:32,089 --> 01:31:29,969
like you say there's full three guys

1979
01:31:35,959 --> 01:31:32,099
activity whatever that means I don't

1980
01:31:39,260 --> 01:31:35,969
know if there's mutilations domestic

1981
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:39,270
animals farm animals there's other

1982
01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:43,440
encounters there's strange people

1983
01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:45,780
visiting the witness or strange phone

1984
01:31:51,819 --> 01:31:49,590
calls there's some that there's a wide

1985
01:31:54,799 --> 01:31:51,829
range of different incidents and most of

1986
01:31:57,649 --> 01:31:54,809
most of the cases wonders and counters

1987
01:32:00,979 --> 01:31:57,659
with entities I'm not saying all along

1988
01:32:03,859 --> 01:32:00,989
but there there's also there's there's

1989
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:03,869
even cases when people mess or with

1990
01:32:09,589 --> 01:32:06,690
Ouija boards and they try to call in a

1991
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:09,599
an entity or a UFO that they had

1992
01:32:14,330 --> 01:32:12,210
encounters with strange entities or UFOs

1993
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:14,340
right after the their little way

1994
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:16,409
keyboard thing no no I never tried a

1995
01:32:18,799 --> 01:32:18,329
Ouija board but be careful what you wish

1996
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:18,809
for

1997
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:21,440
I have tried that when I was very young

1998
01:32:27,740 --> 01:32:25,650
not that young maybe 18 or 19 a close

1999
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,750
friend's mom had extraordinary

2000
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:29,040
experiences with it

2001
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:31,770
but again I tend to think that just

2002
01:32:37,819 --> 01:32:34,020
you're subconsciously just moving the

2003
01:32:40,399 --> 01:32:37,829
planchette around yeah yeah one time I

2004
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:40,409
think I try to attempt that it was some

2005
01:32:46,490 --> 01:32:43,290
of my family members my sons but we had

2006
01:32:51,229 --> 01:32:46,500
a cup of wine couple wines so I don't

2007
01:32:52,770 --> 01:32:51,239
know if if it could be the an experience

2008
01:32:54,270 --> 01:32:52,780
that was really but not

2009
01:32:56,370 --> 01:32:54,280
I didn't get anything from it so I don't

2010
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:56,380
know what to tell you I tried I tried a

2011
01:33:04,260 --> 01:32:57,730
once with some friends and I was a

2012
01:33:09,299 --> 01:33:04,270
teenager and it just kept saying no we

2013
01:33:14,459 --> 01:33:09,309
asked it just said no knew what you were

2014
01:33:14,879 --> 01:33:14,469
doing because it said no that's a good

2015
01:33:17,939 --> 01:33:14,889
idea

2016
01:33:19,799 --> 01:33:17,949
sometimes when you mess around with it

2017
01:33:22,410 --> 01:33:19,809
supposedly with a Ouija board you can

2018
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,420
you might bring in something from from

2019
01:33:27,089 --> 01:33:23,920
the others from the other side that you

2020
01:33:29,490 --> 01:33:27,099
don't want yeah lower lower vibration

2021
01:33:31,709 --> 01:33:29,500
type energies yeah it's not something to

2022
01:33:34,620 --> 01:33:31,719
mess around with if you're not will

2023
01:33:37,140 --> 01:33:34,630
spiritually strong if you have any sort

2024
01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:37,150
of spiritual twitchiness it'll be a good

2025
01:33:41,129 --> 01:33:39,460
bite ship yeah so we shouldn't

2026
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:41,139
investigate that but then if we're

2027
01:33:46,979 --> 01:33:44,010
looking into all these other auxilary or

2028
01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:46,989
complimentary events that makes things

2029
01:33:51,089 --> 01:33:49,300
pretty complicated let me ask you here

2030
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:51,099
because we only have the last half hour

2031
01:33:55,410 --> 01:33:53,679
to go here and some of our listeners

2032
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:55,420
will ask about your background

2033
01:33:59,100 --> 01:33:57,489
so basically tell us about your

2034
01:34:01,439 --> 01:33:59,110
professional background what kind of

2035
01:34:03,450 --> 01:34:01,449
work you've done I understand you were

2036
01:34:06,330 --> 01:34:03,460
in the military at one time right I was

2037
01:34:09,930 --> 01:34:06,340
four years in the Navy that was a radio

2038
01:34:12,209 --> 01:34:09,940
man I had a top secret clearance but was

2039
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:12,219
there from 76 to 80 and I got an

2040
01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:15,489
honorable discharge I remember and well

2041
01:34:21,029 --> 01:34:18,630
the Navy I used to be subscribed to

2042
01:34:23,819 --> 01:34:21,039
remember that all your phone magazine

2043
01:34:25,410 --> 01:34:23,829
saga of the saga UFO magazine well then

2044
01:34:27,149 --> 01:34:25,420
you read some of my stories I wrote a

2045
01:34:30,750 --> 01:34:27,159
couple of articles there you did yeah

2046
01:34:32,549 --> 01:34:30,760
indeed you use your name was familiar

2047
01:34:35,790 --> 01:34:32,559
maybe from the magazines in saga yeah

2048
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:35,800
yeah and I used to get it at the naval

2049
01:34:40,830 --> 01:34:37,510
base and one time I was called down to

2050
01:34:42,990 --> 01:34:40,840
the chief and they had opened the my

2051
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,000
mail asked me why do i why was i

2052
01:34:46,799 --> 01:34:44,800
interested in this why did I read this

2053
01:34:49,020 --> 01:34:46,809
magazine they're a bunch of guys

2054
01:34:52,290 --> 01:34:49,030
standing around there and I was

2055
01:34:55,859 --> 01:34:52,300
I told me was my hobby that I was into

2056
01:34:57,660 --> 01:34:55,869
strange stuff and UFOs they kind of

2057
01:35:01,680 --> 01:34:57,670
laugh up and they give they gave me the

2058
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:01,690
magazine back but after that I when I

2059
01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:04,570
left the Navy I worked with my father

2060
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:06,340
for a while

2061
01:35:11,970 --> 01:35:08,409
with your father what was he doing it

2062
01:35:13,950 --> 01:35:11,980
was a jeweler a jewelry and but he was

2063
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:13,960
he got sick and he died like I said in

2064
01:35:21,780 --> 01:35:18,790
89 but already then I already joined a

2065
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:21,790
local I work for the local government

2066
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:24,159
here in miami-dade I've been working for

2067
01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:28,719
there for 27 years what is your function

2068
01:35:34,109 --> 01:35:30,550
that's all I would like to say about

2069
01:35:37,709 --> 01:35:34,119
that because I don't want to mention the

2070
01:35:38,939 --> 01:35:37,719
the entity that I work with fair enough

2071
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:38,949
we almost don't want to get you in

2072
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:41,170
trouble either do they occasionally come

2073
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:42,489
to you and say you know Albert just

2074
01:35:47,399 --> 01:35:45,040
steps a little bit crazy why are you

2075
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:47,409
involved no not really

2076
01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:50,130
I pretty I keep a pretty low-key and

2077
01:35:57,089 --> 01:35:54,760
they they're pretty much uh you know

2078
01:35:58,680 --> 01:35:57,099
they don't bother me does that

2079
01:36:03,330 --> 01:35:58,690
connection help you research some of

2080
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:03,340
this stuff I try not to mix no I try not

2081
01:36:12,030 --> 01:36:06,880
to mix my work with my research

2082
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:12,040
if I hear anything related there later

2083
01:36:17,129 --> 01:36:14,050
on maybe I attempt to follow up and I

2084
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:17,139
connect it with my work now we have a

2085
01:36:24,089 --> 01:36:21,280
family you have kids wife yes they ever

2086
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:24,099
had any experiences one of my two my

2087
01:36:33,089 --> 01:36:31,360
sons have my middle son Alex he had were

2088
01:36:35,879 --> 01:36:33,099
my other apartment where I used to live

2089
01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:35,889
before I move over to my new home this

2090
01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:37,510
place was kind of weird he you'll be

2091
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,550
sitting here at the computer know I used

2092
01:36:42,810 --> 01:36:40,960
for there was somebody standing behind

2093
01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:42,820
you you'll look back indoors nobody

2094
01:36:48,899 --> 01:36:45,550
there anyway he told me that one day he

2095
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:48,909
saw and whirring what appeared to be a

2096
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:52,530
brown monks have it in one of the rooms

2097
01:36:58,589 --> 01:36:55,570
which is weird and before that he at the

2098
01:37:02,100 --> 01:36:58,599
other house he was in his room sleeping

2099
01:37:05,310 --> 01:37:02,110
called sunny he woke up he saw what he

2100
01:37:08,250 --> 01:37:05,320
described to me what looked like an old

2101
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:08,260
lady older lady and standing in the room

2102
01:37:13,589 --> 01:37:11,679
looking at him she looked normal except

2103
01:37:17,339 --> 01:37:13,599
you did not see he could only see her

2104
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:17,349
from the waist up no legs or you know

2105
01:37:22,209 --> 01:37:18,800
won't even waist up instead

2106
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,219
there or floating there looking at one

2107
01:37:28,030 --> 01:37:25,040
of my other sons seen a what he

2108
01:37:31,330 --> 01:37:28,040
described to me as a luminous disc

2109
01:37:33,850 --> 01:37:31,340
shaped object outside the home one time

2110
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:33,860
which I didn't see how old were they

2111
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:36,170
when these things happened

2112
01:37:40,899 --> 01:37:38,690
it may be 18 for the first one and the

2113
01:37:41,859 --> 01:37:40,909
other one was much younger maybe 10 or

2114
01:37:44,770 --> 01:37:41,869
11 or before

2115
01:37:46,930 --> 01:37:44,780
younger than that 9 okay looking at the

2116
01:37:49,290 --> 01:37:46,940
influences were they aware that you had

2117
01:37:52,899 --> 01:37:49,300
unusual encounters when you were young I

2118
01:37:55,450 --> 01:37:52,909
never talked to him about that till they

2119
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:55,460
were older and they knew that I would I

2120
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:58,639
would I used to have a large collection

2121
01:38:05,319 --> 01:38:01,760
of books magazines I still have and I

2122
01:38:07,899 --> 01:38:05,329
lost half of it they knew I read books

2123
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:07,909
about that and I will get magazines on

2124
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:10,010
it on the mail yeah but they knew about

2125
01:38:17,859 --> 01:38:14,570
my interest on the subject yeah that

2126
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:17,869
reminds me of my childhood when I was

2127
01:38:23,859 --> 01:38:20,210
growing up my my father was in the Coast

2128
01:38:26,830 --> 01:38:23,869
Guard in the mid to late 40s in Puget

2129
01:38:29,890 --> 01:38:26,840
Sound I grew up in the Seattle area and

2130
01:38:32,109 --> 01:38:29,900
I recall him mentioning to us that they

2131
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:32,119
had just got new radar units and that

2132
01:38:35,169 --> 01:38:33,679
they had seen these objects flying

2133
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:35,179
incredibly fast they estimated about

2134
01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:38,449
10,000 miles an hour and at one point

2135
01:38:43,419 --> 01:38:41,150
they they felt that they were going in

2136
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:43,429
and out of Puget Sound up near the top

2137
01:38:47,260 --> 01:38:45,650
of the San Juan Islands and I remember

2138
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:47,270
that that always had a real impression

2139
01:38:53,470 --> 01:38:51,050
on me and I always wanted to see a UFO

2140
01:38:55,540 --> 01:38:53,480
but during the whole time I was at you

2141
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,550
know in the home I never got a chance to

2142
01:39:02,520 --> 01:38:58,159
see one but I find it interesting that

2143
01:39:05,979 --> 01:39:02,530
albert's kids have had a you know

2144
01:39:07,330 --> 01:39:05,989
inexplicable especially in the case of

2145
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,340
seeing the humanoid forms in the house

2146
01:39:10,990 --> 01:39:09,679
where inexplicable events well how did

2147
01:39:14,319 --> 01:39:11,000
you handle that when they told you that

2148
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:14,329
what what did you say did you give them

2149
01:39:20,020 --> 01:39:18,170
some advice or I told that the media

2150
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:20,030
immediately tell me about it I would

2151
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:23,570
like to know what they saw and actually

2152
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:25,610
one of the experiences of the one with

2153
01:39:31,940 --> 01:39:28,410
the the guy wearing the

2154
01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:31,950
I have it Brian cluded ending my reports

2155
01:39:38,270 --> 01:39:35,430
because he was so sincere about it and

2156
01:39:40,730 --> 01:39:38,280
so worried about I tell him look maybe

2157
01:39:44,030 --> 01:39:40,740
what you saw is some kind of from the

2158
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:44,040
entity that just wanted to communicate

2159
01:39:49,820 --> 01:39:46,410
with you so not to worry about it but

2160
01:39:52,820 --> 01:39:49,830
yeah I encourage them to tell me if they

2161
01:39:54,860 --> 01:39:52,830
or any other friends are see or

2162
01:39:56,630 --> 01:39:54,870
encounter anything yeah

2163
01:40:00,140 --> 01:39:56,640
have you had any any cases that have

2164
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:00,150
been referred to you by by the your work

2165
01:40:04,850 --> 01:40:02,130
in other words maybe a report comes in

2166
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,860
people know of your interest or or think

2167
01:40:08,420 --> 01:40:06,960
well maybe we should have Albert check

2168
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:08,430
into this have you had any cases like

2169
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:13,010
that referred to you yeah two or three

2170
01:40:19,940 --> 01:40:17,730
case in which security guard isn't back

2171
01:40:21,530 --> 01:40:19,950
in 89 this and I didn't actually talk to

2172
01:40:24,850 --> 01:40:21,540
the guy but I talked to him on the phone

2173
01:40:27,650 --> 01:40:24,860
later on the security guard were

2174
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,660
encountered three in a shopping center

2175
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:29,040
just about three o'clock in the morning

2176
01:40:35,480 --> 01:40:32,610
and a shopping center and South Dade on

2177
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:35,490
the floor for us one three tall

2178
01:40:42,290 --> 01:40:39,330
humanoids thin long arms with huge

2179
01:40:47,780 --> 01:40:42,300
cat-like eyes and he called the police

2180
01:40:51,550 --> 01:40:47,790
because he thought it was prowlers our

2181
01:40:55,070 --> 01:40:51,560
suspicious people and burglars yeah

2182
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,080
and I believe police responded to the

2183
01:40:59,180 --> 01:40:57,600
site and they wrote a report I used to

2184
01:41:01,550 --> 01:40:59,190
have a copy of the police report I don't

2185
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:01,560
know what I did with it is perhaps I

2186
01:41:07,310 --> 01:41:04,800
lost it when I lost half of my uh I used

2187
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:07,320
to have a like I said a huge collection

2188
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:10,650
of books and magazines but I went

2189
01:41:15,410 --> 01:41:13,530
through a divorce and you know no we

2190
01:41:19,670 --> 01:41:15,420
want to detail but I lost a lot of my

2191
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:27,590
[Music]

2192
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,800
for 58 years fate has provided true

2193
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:33,360
reports of the strange and unknown fate

2194
01:41:37,580 --> 01:41:35,730
brings you the latest in all aspects of

2195
01:41:41,150 --> 01:41:37,590
the paranormal like angels and miracles

2196
01:41:41,810 --> 01:41:41,160
psychic phenomena ghosts UFOs and much

2197
01:41:44,030 --> 01:41:41,820
much more

2198
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:44,040
to receive your complimentary fate

2199
01:41:50,780 --> 01:41:46,530
magazine call now at one eight hundred

2200
01:42:22,420 --> 01:41:50,790
seven two eight two seven three oh or

2201
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:26,950
or Sally's humanoid researcher

2202
01:42:31,580 --> 01:42:29,250
experiencer our coast Christopher O

2203
01:42:33,650 --> 01:42:31,590
Brien Albert we don't have a lot of time

2204
01:42:35,450 --> 01:42:33,660
and maybe we should look into the end

2205
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,460
game here for you do you intend to maybe

2206
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:36,960
collect this into a book everybody's

2207
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:39,330
written a book about UFOs I wrote a book

2208
01:42:43,450 --> 01:42:41,850
once about the Hollow Earth that I was

2209
01:42:46,100 --> 01:42:43,460
gonna publish myself and something

2210
01:42:47,690 --> 01:42:46,110
happened and maybe it was my first

2211
01:42:49,940 --> 01:42:47,700
marriage ending and I never got around

2212
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,950
to it so is there a book in your future

2213
01:42:54,110 --> 01:42:51,840
Albert I'm hoping there will be I'm

2214
01:42:58,220 --> 01:42:54,120
hoping to put all my stuff together into

2215
01:43:00,350 --> 01:42:58,230
a some kind of catalogue of cases into a

2216
01:43:03,070 --> 01:43:00,360
case catalog but I wonder matching will

2217
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,080
have to be several volumes of a book

2218
01:43:08,060 --> 01:43:05,840
fifteen thousand reports I would hope so

2219
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,070
yeah that would be an awful big book

2220
01:43:13,850 --> 01:43:11,280
yeah I know what I'm trying to I'm

2221
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:13,860
trying to put up put and type some

2222
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:17,010
journals now that I'm working on and I

2223
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:18,090
think couple them we're gonna be

2224
01:43:23,900 --> 01:43:22,170
published and magazines the new magazine

2225
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:23,910
UFO matrix I don't know if you guys

2226
01:43:29,330 --> 01:43:27,050
heard about in the UK but I'm working on

2227
01:43:31,700 --> 01:43:29,340
journals and I'm hoping yeah maybe in

2228
01:43:34,940 --> 01:43:31,710
the future I could write a couple books

2229
01:43:37,300 --> 01:43:34,950
maybe when I retire no you keep adding

2230
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:37,310
to that database it sounds like it grows

2231
01:43:43,220 --> 01:43:40,800
monthly be amazing some of the stuff

2232
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,230
reported around the world for it yeah

2233
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:45,840
alright so maybe you'll collect this

2234
01:43:50,140 --> 01:43:48,330
stuff now that's an important point -

2235
01:43:53,420 --> 01:43:50,150
what about the existing UFO

2236
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:53,430
investigative bodies like move on do

2237
01:43:57,950 --> 01:43:55,170
they ever call Albert and say hey you

2238
01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:57,960
know look into this or what do you have

2239
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:02,400
he was confirmational fond oh they

2240
01:44:06,140 --> 01:44:04,110
always wanted me they always want me to

2241
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:06,150
be a member of course when I ask them

2242
01:44:11,390 --> 01:44:09,510
for assistance in collecting cases and

2243
01:44:13,010 --> 01:44:11,400
they never answer they have a new

2244
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:13,020
precedent knowing them you fought and

2245
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:16,320
you are leader which I haven't contacted

2246
01:44:22,460 --> 01:44:19,770
yet I'll see you with a better lock but

2247
01:44:26,420 --> 01:44:22,470
I've been a member of MUFON on and off

2248
01:44:30,740 --> 01:44:26,430
and right now I'm not I don't think that

2249
01:44:32,810 --> 01:44:30,750
the last MUFON precedent was this is a

2250
01:44:35,150 --> 01:44:32,820
guy kind of guy that may be the one that

2251
01:44:38,930 --> 01:44:35,160
will contact you I will contact MUFON

2252
01:44:40,670 --> 01:44:38,940
for assistance and getting cases you

2253
01:44:43,580 --> 01:44:40,680
know getting more information some of

2254
01:44:47,090 --> 01:44:43,590
the humanoid cases I will never get an

2255
01:44:51,340 --> 01:44:47,100
answer however they will contact me and

2256
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:51,350
asking me to either become a member or

2257
01:45:02,000 --> 01:44:56,570
you know assist in and with files and

2258
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:02,010
join me fond for long stanked I did for

2259
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:04,380
two years but then I I stopped

2260
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,490
now there's not that many there there

2261
01:45:12,500 --> 01:45:10,080
are a lot of researchers like you Chris

2262
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:12,510
and many others that I could take off

2263
01:45:18,590 --> 01:45:16,050
and Stan Gordon and Pennsylvania and

2264
01:45:21,340 --> 01:45:18,600
ruffle and California there's there's

2265
01:45:24,410 --> 01:45:21,350
many many good researchers out there

2266
01:45:29,630 --> 01:45:24,420
which are doing a great job but as far

2267
01:45:34,730 --> 01:45:29,640
as a large UFO groups or organizations

2268
01:45:36,350 --> 01:45:34,740
are at least in the US there's there

2269
01:45:42,020 --> 01:45:36,360
isn't that many I know and then Europe

2270
01:45:43,970 --> 01:45:42,030
there is there's more groups a lot of

2271
01:45:47,420 --> 01:45:43,980
groups is actually in Europe and there's

2272
01:45:49,570 --> 01:45:47,430
more of what I think interest over there

2273
01:45:53,540 --> 01:45:49,580
and in the matter

2274
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:53,550
I'm the only game in town pretty much as

2275
01:45:57,380 --> 01:45:55,920
far as major UFO investigative bodies

2276
01:46:00,110 --> 01:45:57,390
well about the Center for UFO studies

2277
01:46:01,910 --> 01:46:00,120
that's the leaving around they're still

2278
01:46:02,990 --> 01:46:01,920
around but I don't think Damon polish a

2279
01:46:07,370 --> 01:46:03,000
journal anymore

2280
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:07,380
they used to I don't think they do

2281
01:46:12,169 --> 01:46:09,840
anything anymore actually Jean you know

2282
01:46:16,990 --> 01:46:12,179
where the largest UFO group in the world

2283
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,000
is right China has the largest

2284
01:46:22,850 --> 01:46:19,679
membership worlds of any other UFO group

2285
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:22,860
I forget it's it's huge I remember

2286
01:46:26,570 --> 01:46:24,300
seeing the number once the scratch on my

2287
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:26,580
head going wow this is really quite an

2288
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:30,239
emerging but there's a lot of emerging

2289
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:32,610
interest in China in these types of

2290
01:46:37,310 --> 01:46:34,770
events and which brings me to a question

2291
01:46:40,729 --> 01:46:37,320
Albert have you do you have any contacts

2292
01:46:44,090 --> 01:46:40,739
with any of the Chinese and Far Eastern

2293
01:46:47,959 --> 01:46:44,100
groups have they funneled you any sort

2294
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,969
of cases I know this Michael Cohen guy

2295
01:46:51,770 --> 01:46:49,920
seems to be coming up with new China

2296
01:46:54,979 --> 01:46:51,780
stuff all the time a lot of it is

2297
01:46:57,470 --> 01:46:54,989
questionable but know what happened but

2298
01:47:00,430 --> 01:46:57,480
I haven't had any contact from from

2299
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:00,440
China no I had some contacts like

2300
01:47:08,150 --> 01:47:04,170
Philippines Indonesia Malaysia Australia

2301
01:47:09,650 --> 01:47:08,160
but I I used to have contact in Japan I

2302
01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:09,660
don't know what happened with that but I

2303
01:47:15,050 --> 01:47:10,920
know I haven't been able to get any

2304
01:47:17,870 --> 01:47:15,060
Chinese contacts well years ago years

2305
01:47:19,810 --> 01:47:17,880
ago Albert and Chris I used to be in

2306
01:47:22,729 --> 01:47:19,820
touch with a number of people in Japan

2307
01:47:24,740 --> 01:47:22,739
and he spoke English pretty well

2308
01:47:25,939 --> 01:47:24,750
otherwise had be severely crippled and

2309
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,949
trying to communicate with them and

2310
01:47:31,070 --> 01:47:28,560
there were an active UFO investigative

2311
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:31,080
bodies in Japan do we still see that or

2312
01:47:35,959 --> 01:47:33,570
have they gone by the wayside like many

2313
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:35,969
of the UFO organizations in the u.s. you

2314
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:37,440
know it's a good question I think

2315
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:39,210
there's one group I think it's called

2316
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:42,570
UFO Japan was this but I don't think

2317
01:47:46,130 --> 01:47:44,010
they'd speak any English because I try

2318
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:46,140
to contact them I send them some of my

2319
01:47:50,300 --> 01:47:48,719
cases and I send them a couple emails

2320
01:47:52,490 --> 01:47:50,310
but I didn't get into now I never got

2321
01:47:56,419 --> 01:47:52,500
any response from them but they do have

2322
01:47:57,169 --> 01:47:56,429
quite a large website and database but

2323
01:47:59,630 --> 01:47:57,179
all in Japanese

2324
01:48:01,760 --> 01:47:59,640
and I don't know about any others in

2325
01:48:02,300 --> 01:48:01,770
general isn't that unfortunate the fact

2326
01:48:04,370 --> 01:48:02,310
that

2327
01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:04,380
don't have really international UFO

2328
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:07,080
bodies like MUFON supposedly is

2329
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:09,960
international but it's mostly in the USA

2330
01:48:14,660 --> 01:48:12,210
and hasn't been as active maybe in some

2331
01:48:16,970 --> 01:48:14,670
areas as it should be what about that

2332
01:48:20,030 --> 01:48:16,980
what's the problem that we can't get all

2333
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:20,040
these disparate bodies together and try

2334
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:22,170
to figure it out together

2335
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:25,770
I don't know I'm thinking maybe the

2336
01:48:33,770 --> 01:48:27,210
different point of point of views

2337
01:48:35,450 --> 01:48:33,780
everywhere they can agree to I mean

2338
01:48:37,460 --> 01:48:35,460
there's some people they got there some

2339
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:37,470
groups got their agenda their theories

2340
01:48:45,050 --> 01:48:42,320
or pet theories and they just don't I

2341
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:45,060
accept the other theories or agendas and

2342
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:46,410
they don't they just can't get together

2343
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:49,050
I know some fortunate it is and a lot of

2344
01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:51,930
the researchers don't like to share

2345
01:48:55,550 --> 01:48:53,490
their information either which is I

2346
01:48:58,510 --> 01:48:55,560
think it's unfortunate they keep their

2347
01:49:02,150 --> 01:48:58,520
information and then when they if they

2348
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:02,160
stop researching or go away or past or

2349
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:05,370
pass away then their research goes do

2350
01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:08,820
not it it's lost nobody ever hears about

2351
01:49:16,490 --> 01:49:12,420
it and I know that happening before too

2352
01:49:20,180 --> 01:49:16,500
many to only like the a profiles and the

2353
01:49:22,010 --> 01:49:20,190
old a PR Oh group Jim I know I know

2354
01:49:23,570 --> 01:49:22,020
where all those files are I've been

2355
01:49:26,050 --> 01:49:23,580
trying to get access to him for about

2356
01:49:28,970 --> 01:49:26,060
six seven years we're already okay a

2357
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:28,980
pile was centered in Tucson Arizona

2358
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:31,500
ladies and gentlemen Jim and Karla

2359
01:49:36,770 --> 01:49:34,770
Lorenzen were started in the 50s covered

2360
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:36,780
a lot of cases in South America a lot of

2361
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:39,030
really cutting-edge information a lot of

2362
01:49:42,380 --> 01:49:40,890
people helping them out now I have to

2363
01:49:45,890 --> 01:49:42,390
tell you that Jim Lorenzen was a really

2364
01:49:47,390 --> 01:49:45,900
gentle guy I hated kora Lorenzen never

2365
01:49:49,550 --> 01:49:47,400
got along with her for some reason

2366
01:49:52,490 --> 01:49:49,560
really crusty old lady I was gonna say

2367
01:49:55,850 --> 01:49:52,500
old you know what but I won't but okay

2368
01:49:59,540 --> 01:49:55,860
she wore the pants well yeah whatever

2369
01:50:01,250 --> 01:49:59,550
okay so what happened to these records

2370
01:50:02,780 --> 01:50:01,260
where are they now you've been trying

2371
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,790
for years to get a hold of them Chris

2372
01:50:07,670 --> 01:50:05,040
where are the records being stored well

2373
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:07,680
they're in a storage facility whose

2374
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:09,570
location is a closely guarded secret

2375
01:50:14,049 --> 01:50:12,330
there's there's a couple that live here

2376
01:50:16,509 --> 01:50:14,059
that will work with

2377
01:50:19,509 --> 01:50:16,519
the Lorenz ins towards the end of their

2378
01:50:25,509 --> 01:50:19,519
life both choral Jim died fairly close

2379
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,519
together in time and when the I'm trying

2380
01:50:30,069 --> 01:50:27,199
to see if I get the story straight here

2381
01:50:31,719 --> 01:50:30,079
so when the Lorenz ins died I think a

2382
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:31,729
predict continued on for a while but

2383
01:50:36,459 --> 01:50:34,400
then without you know their motivation

2384
01:50:40,649 --> 01:50:36,469
and stuff it it's it found it fairly

2385
01:50:44,410 --> 01:50:40,659
quickly this couple was for some reason

2386
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,420
selected by the board and I think Hynek

2387
01:50:49,779 --> 01:50:47,360
was involved in this of the selection as

2388
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:49,789
well and in this process and they they

2389
01:50:56,319 --> 01:50:53,360
were entrusted with the a profiles which

2390
01:50:59,310 --> 01:50:56,329
they have been promising for years to

2391
01:51:03,879 --> 01:50:59,320
give investigators and researchers

2392
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:03,889
access to the information to do check in

2393
01:51:12,069 --> 01:51:08,239
for data and I as a favor to them I did

2394
01:51:15,069 --> 01:51:12,079
a number of video shoots they were

2395
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:15,079
fighting a subdivision that was being

2396
01:51:19,629 --> 01:51:17,360
planned here in the Sedona area and they

2397
01:51:21,759 --> 01:51:19,639
had a real legitimate beef with the

2398
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:21,769
developer and so I helped film some

2399
01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:24,530
environmental quality meetings under the

2400
01:51:29,020 --> 01:51:26,900
with the understanding that hey quid pro

2401
01:51:32,169 --> 01:51:29,030
quo I'll help you guys out if you look

2402
01:51:35,259 --> 01:51:32,179
up these three cases for me and I

2403
01:51:36,729 --> 01:51:35,269
mentioned Ted Phillips Czechoslovakian

2404
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:36,739
case with the the machine in the

2405
01:51:42,489 --> 01:51:39,170
mountain ray Stanford had a case and I

2406
01:51:44,109 --> 01:51:42,499
had a case that that we really needed to

2407
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:44,119
get into those a profiles because we

2408
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:46,249
knew that what we were looking for was

2409
01:51:50,500 --> 01:51:48,320
contained in there and they promised me

2410
01:51:53,459 --> 01:51:50,510
and promised me and they never came

2411
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:53,469
through there are a couple of flakes I

2412
01:51:59,500 --> 01:51:57,530
even said I'll go do I'll go in there

2413
01:52:02,500 --> 01:51:59,510
and look at it you can blindfold me

2414
01:52:04,299 --> 01:52:02,510
they'd be there I don't need to know

2415
01:52:06,100 --> 01:52:04,309
where it is you can open the door I can

2416
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:06,110
walk in take the blindfold off and let

2417
01:52:13,239 --> 01:52:09,170
me check and they're just sitting on it

2418
01:52:16,839 --> 01:52:13,249
they think that I really don't know why

2419
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:16,849
they have you know what the rationale is

2420
01:52:20,979 --> 01:52:19,010
for not allowing researchers to have

2421
01:52:23,169 --> 01:52:20,989
access to these there's a goldmine of

2422
01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:23,179
information in there you know I think

2423
01:52:28,230 --> 01:52:25,000
rested kind of sitting here

2424
01:52:29,790 --> 01:52:28,240
you sometimes this germinates integrator

2425
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:29,800
idea is greater good

2426
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:32,290
maybe we should all come up with a

2427
01:52:36,570 --> 01:52:34,210
petition to present to these people

2428
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:36,580
power cast listeners and not just power

2429
01:52:40,710 --> 01:52:38,770
cast any radio show this isn't us let's

2430
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:40,720
put some pressure on let's put the

2431
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:42,570
pressure I mean really you know we have

2432
01:52:47,820 --> 01:52:45,610
talents in tens and tens of thousands of

2433
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:47,830
listeners around the world we're so

2434
01:52:52,350 --> 01:52:49,810
going to be syndicated by a national

2435
01:52:54,780 --> 01:52:52,360
network available local radio stations

2436
01:52:56,460 --> 01:52:54,790
we have this information I don't have to

2437
01:52:58,710 --> 01:52:56,470
know the location I don't have to know

2438
01:53:00,720 --> 01:52:58,720
the name of the people but we should set

2439
01:53:02,460 --> 01:53:00,730
up I'm going to assign you Chris O'Brien

2440
01:53:06,450 --> 01:53:02,470
you could work with Albert anybody else

2441
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,460
to do this let's set up a petition let's

2442
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:08,800
make our voices heard to the people who

2443
01:53:13,590 --> 01:53:11,170
are holding the information all these

2444
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:13,600
decades of research by the aerial

2445
01:53:17,490 --> 01:53:16,090
phenomena research organization UFO

2446
01:53:20,250 --> 01:53:17,500
sightings around the world Close

2447
01:53:23,790 --> 01:53:20,260
Encounters great cases of South America

2448
01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:23,800
all the work the Lorenz ins did all the

2449
01:53:28,770 --> 01:53:26,470
people who work with them did let's find

2450
01:53:30,810 --> 01:53:28,780
a way to persuade these people to

2451
01:53:32,940 --> 01:53:30,820
release that information maybe a

2452
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:32,950
petition Chris maybe you can assemble a

2453
01:53:38,460 --> 01:53:35,440
petition an online petition will run it

2454
01:53:39,870 --> 01:53:38,470
will give a link to anybody who wants to

2455
01:53:42,150 --> 01:53:39,880
run it on their sites ladies and

2456
01:53:44,190 --> 01:53:42,160
gentlemen if you are in a rival radio

2457
01:53:46,290 --> 01:53:44,200
show this is not a matter of competition

2458
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:46,300
we want to get this information

2459
01:53:51,690 --> 01:53:49,570
available to everyone and I can't see

2460
01:53:54,660 --> 01:53:51,700
any reason for it not happening so Chris

2461
01:53:57,330 --> 01:53:54,670
you want to take that sign yeah gene I'd

2462
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:57,340
be happy to do that in and thank you for

2463
01:54:01,290 --> 01:53:58,960
coming up with that idea I think if we

2464
01:54:04,500 --> 01:54:01,300
put some pressure on them and they'll

2465
01:54:06,570 --> 01:54:04,510
see yeah I don't think they realize how

2466
01:54:08,730 --> 01:54:06,580
important that particular database is

2467
01:54:10,740 --> 01:54:08,740
it's one of the largest youth

2468
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:10,750
illogically based databases in the world

2469
01:54:17,570 --> 01:54:13,840
there are I think they said 15 file

2470
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:17,580
cabinets if I remember correctly of

2471
01:54:22,530 --> 01:54:20,650
actual case files and that's a lot of

2472
01:54:25,129 --> 01:54:22,540
that's a lot of paperwork this is of

2473
01:54:26,810 --> 01:54:25,139
course back in the old hardcopy days

2474
01:54:28,430 --> 01:54:26,820
not only sitting there in some kind of

2475
01:54:30,620 --> 01:54:28,440
storage center they pay a monthly fee

2476
01:54:32,180 --> 01:54:30,630
for and less is in their own garage

2477
01:54:33,950 --> 01:54:32,190
I have a feeling it's down in the

2478
01:54:36,830 --> 01:54:33,960
Phoenix area that would be my guess is

2479
01:54:38,780 --> 01:54:36,840
it's down in Phoenix somewhere of course

2480
01:54:42,109 --> 01:54:38,790
they are up here in Sedona and I think

2481
01:54:45,530 --> 01:54:42,119
you know they get up at noon they're

2482
01:54:48,820 --> 01:54:45,540
kind of sort of kind of old hippie types

2483
01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:48,830
they're real flaky they don't like to

2484
01:54:55,010 --> 01:54:52,020
you know they go fight for their causes

2485
01:54:56,689 --> 01:54:55,020
and and do the right thing but then you

2486
01:55:00,260 --> 01:54:56,699
know it's forest for the trees when it

2487
01:55:02,540 --> 01:55:00,270
comes to that absolutely just amazing

2488
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:02,550
database that they're sitting on and in

2489
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:05,760
hoarding I don't understand how somebody

2490
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:08,130
could could do that and make make

2491
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:09,810
promises and then not follow through on

2492
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:11,610
paperwork and stuff it's it's it's a

2493
01:55:15,620 --> 01:55:13,199
good idea Jane I would be happy to

2494
01:55:17,479 --> 01:55:15,630
spearhead it okay ladies and gentlemen I

2495
01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:17,489
welcome your suggestions to if you're

2496
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:21,300
write to us news at the para cast com

2497
01:55:27,290 --> 01:55:25,199
news at the para cast comm and your

2498
01:55:29,090 --> 01:55:27,300
suggestions how we might persuade these

2499
01:55:30,620 --> 01:55:29,100
people nicely you know we're not talking

2500
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:30,630
about legal action we're not talking

2501
01:55:35,479 --> 01:55:33,360
about bringing up Peter Gersten the New

2502
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:35,489
York lawyer who lives in Arizona now who

2503
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:36,690
did a lot of those freedom of

2504
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:38,130
information actions we're talking about

2505
01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:42,090
friendly nice a petition gentle pressure

2506
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:44,310
you know now they're really wild stuff

2507
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:47,810
gentle pressure and as we sugar on top

2508
01:55:55,580 --> 01:55:53,130
exactly exactly oh no no venom now maybe

2509
01:55:57,320 --> 01:55:55,590
some scorpion venom no no scorpion venom

2510
01:55:59,300 --> 01:55:57,330
either you know I know you know about

2511
01:56:01,550 --> 01:55:59,310
that stuff Chris so yeah they're they're

2512
01:56:02,930 --> 01:56:01,560
already kind of numskulls already I

2513
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:02,940
don't think they need any more numbing

2514
01:56:08,629 --> 01:56:05,520
well yeah use that word but you already

2515
01:56:10,100 --> 01:56:08,639
let it drop okay it doesn't matter you

2516
01:56:12,169 --> 01:56:10,110
know if the information is here in

2517
01:56:14,689 --> 01:56:12,179
Phoenix and I'm not far from Phoenix as

2518
01:56:16,970 --> 01:56:14,699
we all know I will go there personally

2519
01:56:19,550 --> 01:56:16,980
and have a look at it with them and they

2520
01:56:21,439 --> 01:56:19,560
could you know if they want even though

2521
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:21,449
they're insensate admit Lauren since

2522
01:56:25,490 --> 01:56:23,520
hated me so I wouldn't work with it no

2523
01:56:27,709 --> 01:56:25,500
Chris will come down we have Antonio who

2524
01:56:29,780 --> 01:56:27,719
næss who lives in the area we can have a

2525
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:29,790
lot of people come over take a look at

2526
01:56:33,979 --> 01:56:32,130
this information help you know at least

2527
01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:33,989
get it into a way that it can be

2528
01:56:37,700 --> 01:56:35,730
submitted maybe somebody can scan the

2529
01:56:38,270 --> 01:56:37,710
papers we can put them online

2530
01:56:40,220 --> 01:56:38,280
lots

2531
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:40,230
stuff that will talk about this in

2532
01:56:44,450 --> 01:56:41,910
future episodes of the power cast and

2533
01:56:46,850 --> 01:56:44,460
see where it stands yeah okay good idea

2534
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:46,860
gene okay Albert we have just a couple

2535
01:56:50,570 --> 01:56:48,690
minutes left we didn't mean to ignore

2536
01:56:51,860 --> 01:56:50,580
you I guess there's a lot of information

2537
01:56:54,350 --> 01:56:51,870
they have that you would like to get

2538
01:56:55,670 --> 01:56:54,360
your hands on but where do you intend to

2539
01:56:57,020 --> 01:56:55,680
go from here you don't do the public

2540
01:56:58,730 --> 01:56:57,030
appearance circuit you don't do the

2541
01:57:01,790 --> 01:56:58,740
radio show circuit what do you expect to

2542
01:57:06,230 --> 01:57:01,800
continue to do well I I'm gonna continue

2543
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:06,240
to do my my database one of my journals

2544
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:10,290
and write to the whatever magazine wants

2545
01:57:14,990 --> 01:57:13,050
to publish some articles but like I'm

2546
01:57:19,190 --> 01:57:15,000
like you said I'm gonna be working on

2547
01:57:22,010 --> 01:57:19,200
some books also and you know whoever is

2548
01:57:23,390 --> 01:57:22,020
willing to do a radio show with me I'm

2549
01:57:26,090 --> 01:57:23,400
willing to do it I just haven't been a

2550
01:57:27,410 --> 01:57:26,100
personal approach so many times well a

2551
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:27,420
couple of times I've been able to do it

2552
01:57:34,580 --> 01:57:31,520
because my work and different issues but

2553
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:34,590
I'll be more than glad to do you know

2554
01:57:39,050 --> 01:57:37,110
the radio circuit and I haven't done it

2555
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:39,060
too much but I'd done three or four or

2556
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:41,250
five maybe ladies and gentlemen if you

2557
01:57:46,250 --> 01:57:44,610
click on Albert Rosales name at the

2558
01:57:48,710 --> 01:57:46,260
parent cast calm you'll be taken right

2559
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:48,720
to the database you can see all the

2560
01:57:53,810 --> 01:57:50,970
information is collected about UFO

2561
01:57:55,490 --> 01:57:53,820
humanoid encounters and if you have more

2562
01:57:58,130 --> 01:57:55,500
information that has his email address

2563
01:58:00,890 --> 01:57:58,140
there he doesn't have to mention online

2564
01:58:02,930 --> 01:58:00,900
or on our show but his email address is

2565
01:58:04,370 --> 01:58:02,940
there you could write to him give him

2566
01:58:06,050 --> 01:58:04,380
more information or maybe get some help

2567
01:58:08,690 --> 01:58:06,060
in finding out where the things are

2568
01:58:10,370 --> 01:58:08,700
having Chris O'Brien where do we find

2569
01:58:12,170 --> 01:58:10,380
more of the stuff you're working on

2570
01:58:14,180 --> 01:58:12,180
you're gonna do a successor to the

2571
01:58:17,900 --> 01:58:14,190
trickster book yeah I am I'm actually

2572
01:58:20,330 --> 01:58:17,910
working on a book that looks at tricks

2573
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:20,340
tourism it really brings in the ephah

2574
01:58:25,820 --> 01:58:23,490
logical question my first book stalking

2575
01:58:27,650 --> 01:58:25,830
the tricksters hardly mentioned UFOs at

2576
01:58:29,630 --> 01:58:27,660
all just at the very end I happen to go

2577
01:58:31,790 --> 01:58:29,640
into a little bit but there's there's

2578
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:31,800
quite a bit of just a wealth of material

2579
01:58:36,590 --> 01:58:33,810
that is tricksters in nature that's

2580
01:58:39,980 --> 01:58:36,600
found in ufology my website is our

2581
01:58:43,340 --> 01:58:39,990
strange planet calm and there you can

2582
01:58:45,950 --> 01:58:43,350
find my database which is available to

2583
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:45,960
anyone who wants it and it's all there

2584
01:58:50,420 --> 01:58:48,690
it's about 13 years of my own

2585
01:58:53,060 --> 01:58:50,430
investigations and in the

2586
01:58:54,980 --> 01:58:53,070
actual sighting law goes back to 1777 so

2587
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:54,990
there's plenty of stuff in there to keep

2588
01:58:58,970 --> 01:58:56,970
you busy for a while well there's quite

2589
01:59:02,330 --> 01:58:58,980
a quite a number of reports in there not

2590
01:59:04,850 --> 01:59:02,340
hidden in 15 file cabinets somewhere in

2591
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:04,860
Phoenix yeah hopefully in a

2592
01:59:10,670 --> 01:59:08,010
air-conditioned space down there so it's

2593
01:59:12,230 --> 01:59:10,680
our strange planet calm okay and link

2594
01:59:15,050 --> 01:59:12,240
from the power cast calm

2595
01:59:16,610 --> 01:59:15,060
Albert ViSalus Chris O'Brien been a

2596
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:16,620
great show thank you both for joining us

2597
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:19,410
this week on the forecast well thanks

2598
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:20,970
for having Albert on I'm really glad

2599
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:22,410
that he was able to make it and be on

2600
01:59:24,410 --> 01:59:23,010
the show

2601
01:59:30,500 --> 01:59:24,420
thank you guys for giving me the

2602
01:59:32,870 --> 01:59:30,510
opportunity great job presentation of

2603
01:59:36,690 --> 01:59:32,880
making the impossible Incorporated tune

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01:59:36,700 --> 01:59:51,380
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